Ghost_Of_BT (Stranger)
05-04-01 19:05
No 189204
      pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

I understand that denatured alchohol is ethonol mixed with pyridine. Can I get reasonably pure pyradineHCL by adding an excessive amount of HCL and evaporating the mixture? Also, the denatured alchohol that I find contains some methanol. Will this be a problem?
 
 
 
 
    goiterjoe
(Hive Bee)
05-04-01 19:11
No 189208
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

you understood wrong.  denatured alcohol is ethanol with added methanol to make it undrinkable.  it old moonshine areas, denatured also contains toluene, acetone, and other oddball shit.


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    Osmium
(Stoni's sexual toy)
05-04-01 19:19
No 189211
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

Apparently in some non-US countries indeed smelly shit like pyridine is/was sometimes used as denaturant. But in case that is true I doubt there will be much in it, a few ml at most.
 
 
 
 
    goiterjoe
(Hive Bee)
05-05-01 08:36
No 189348
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

sorry, my bad.  I didn't think they would be able to muchif any into the mix due to health safety.


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    Osmium
(Stoni's sexual toy)
05-07-01 12:08
No 189778
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

That's the whole point, making you barf all over the place when you try to drink it wink
 
 
 
 
    Bwiti
(Hive Bee)
07-10-01 22:46
No 189890
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

  I remember reading about pyridine being added to ethanol, but I'm guessing that's a rare thing, because methanol's a cheaper denaturant.cool


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    Agent_Smith
(Hive Bee)
07-11-01 01:35
No 189912
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

well, the US govt has a list of acceptable denaturants, among other things, sassafras oil is acceptable...  but no one uses it.


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    weasil
(Hive Bee)
07-12-01 19:01
No 190162
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

I think you are referring to methylated spirits and it only contains 0.5% pyridine. It also contains 9.5% methanol, dye & the remainder is ethanol. However if one were to distil their spirit the methanol & ethanol would come over as the azeotrope. Would this be of any value for recrystallisiation where the solvent of choice would be ethanol? I am thinking that yields would be slightly lower but of higher purity. The alternative is to use either technical grade methanol or IPA so I guess this would fit somewhere in-between? Would a 50/50 of the latter be any good?
 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
07-12-01 19:07
No 190164
      Re: pyridineHCL from denatured alchohol  Bookmark   

Ethanol with 10% methanol in it has for all practical purposes the same solvent properties as pure ethanol. As long as it is free of other substances, it would be just fine for recrystallizations.

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    blondie
(Hive Bee)
07-17-02 13:12
No 333559
      solubility - other ideas?  Bookmark   

does anybee know what the solubilities of pyridinium sulphate, pyridinium phosphate are in ethanol/ water.