08-05-03 05:42
No 451790
A well known tyre manufacturer distributes 100% Petroleum Naphtha, is the same as VM&P avail in other countries. Goes under the name: SOLVENT M714C
and yes, SWIM has a 4L can...
begano=absolutebeginner
(Active Asperger Archivist)
08-05-03 11:06
No 451840
Don't you people read them? Giving the product name is as bad as the manufacturer. Even worse in most cases.
And what is the big deal? It's naphtha. Are the Aussies that hard off that they consider 4L of naphtha a 'big score'?
Act quickly or not at all.
(Stranger)
08-05-03 12:38
No 451872
am jus tryn to help out fellow ozzies in the hunt for honey, seeing that VideoEditor's "New Straight to E -- a novel extraction tech." calls for the stuff... and yes, it is fknhard to find.
Xylene from the warehouse type hardware stores..
begano=absolutebeginner
(Active Asperger Archivist)
08-05-03 12:54
No 451876
Don't take offense. I understand, it's just that naphtha is such a poor choice of solvent that it shouldn't be used unless specifically called for or is absolutely necessary. (which sounds like it may be the case for you.) Naphtha is just usually dirty and has various unclean things in it. if you want a cleaner extraction and are willing to do the work, distill the stuff first. then use it for your extraction work. It will get rid of some of the junk.
Act quickly or not at all.
(Stranger)
08-05-03 13:05
No 451878
no offence taken,
have taken the advice though.. 
begano=absolutebeginner
(Active Asperger Archivist)
08-05-03 15:47
No 451901
...appreciates appropriate spelling.
Act quickly or not at all.
(Hive Bee)
08-08-03 04:25
No 452445
Thanks for the info mate!
U.S. VM&P Naphtha is primarily a combination of octane and nonane.
Aurelius it is a shit solvent? That must be why we don't use it. It's American shit.
(Active Asperger Archivist)
08-08-03 11:49
No 452495
Doesn't matter where you get it. American or not the formulations will be the same, or at least comparable. The point is, if you walk into a hardware store, there's probably (depending on your particular locations), 2-5 other options that will work in better fashion as a solvent and are much cleaner (in terms of overall purity and types of contaminants).
Act quickly or not at all.
(Hive Addict)
08-08-03 19:26
No 452544
I must read a "what is Naptha" post every week. Would it be an idea to put a sticky thread on Naptha, for the non U.S. bees, in the Stim. forum?
Democracy is the name we give the people, whenever we need them.
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(Active Asperger Archivist)
08-08-03 21:48
No 452562
Abolt, you've hit the nail on the head. Naphtha every week. Problem is... We've already got a sticky thread for everything. Search engine too. We've even got Rhodium's site for pete's sake. Although I'd like to agree with another sticky thread, do we really need another?
They've fallen out of good use for the majority of bees. The bees with enough sense to use them already know where and how to the find the information they need anyway. They are good, easy to use, easy to find references, but I don't think that they get the usage they should.
Act quickly or not at all.
(Hive Bee)
08-09-03 10:31
No 452635
Naphtha every week? I haven't noticed that, or any irregular or unexpected posting. We don't have a solvent called VM&P naptha, a few posts is the result.
The definitive answer is: generally VM&P naphtha is a combination of octane and nonane. b.p. range 125-151
No one ever told me it was a combination of nonane and octane. I never complained, I enjoyed the research.
My end opinion was that U.S. VM&P was quite consistant, much better than petroleum ether which sometimes has the same CAS#, but normally lower b.p.'s and generally more inconsistant.
This isn't much of an issue at all.
A sticky thread would bee pretty insulting, I think Ill just give the answer to the question.
>>> The point is, if you walk into a hardware store, there's probably (depending on your particular locations), 2-5 other options that will work in better fashion as a solvent
Yeah probably. The main thing with that procedure is that for the NP it should contain a portion of an aromatic and a portion of an aliphatic hydrocarbon(s).
But VE's selections are pretty solid I think.
(Hive Addict)
08-10-03 18:44
No 452863
I haven't noticed that, or any irregular or unexpected posting. We don't have a solvent called VM&P naptha
Firstly I would assume that VM&P is a brand name. This contravenes Hive policy. Folks should think International when doing write ups. Is there any reason why VM&P Naptha could not be replaced by the words Non-Polar Solvent?
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(Hive Bee)
08-10-03 20:02
No 452892
VM&P stands for "Varnish Makers And Painters"... it is a descriptor, not a brand name.
(Hive Addict)
08-10-03 20:21
No 452896
(Rated as: good idea!)
but it still proves my point.
The term "Varnish Makers And Painters" is not used in Oz or other countries.
The term "Naptha" is not used either.
Can folks remember the confusion about "Turps" when Placebo wrote his "Full Turps Cure" post?
All Aussies know what "Turps" is but the U.S. bees had confusion as "Turps" in the U.S. is known as another product.
We need to think International in our writeups.
Democracy is the name we give the people, whenever we need them.
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(Stranger)
08-16-03 08:41
No 453920
I was in a real pinch one nite working a micro I thought that I had all that I needed. Alass my stash in the corner turned out to be something eles. I was stuck 3:00 am and I just needed a little Naphtha. I thought all was lost untill I sat at my desk and lit up a smoke or tried to. My zippo was on E so I grabed my Ronsonol lighter fluid and started to filler up when it hit me I had plenty of Naph. and it was right there in my hands.
if at first you don't secced tri tri tri again "DR. WHO "
(Stranger)
08-01-04 01:55
No 523052
look for shellite, light blue label, colourless liquid, i think its the same or substitutable for naptha.
(Hive Bee)
08-01-04 04:54
No 523077
Shellite is hexane, i know that much.
Im not to sure how good it works as a substitute for naptha though.
Your an individual just like everyone else
(Stranger)
08-01-04 04:57
No 523079
i beg to diagree, im sure shellite and hexane are different. we need to work this out. ive tried to find some more info mut its hard as the term shellite is a registered trademark or shell and under the title heading it says (petroleum spirits)
(Hive Bee)
08-01-04 17:27
No 523152
here it is (from an oz supplier)
Shellite-->
INGREDIENTS
Paraffins & Naphthenes 95%
The ingredient above can include n-hexane 110-54-3 <13%
Aromatic hydrocarbons <5%
Benzene 71-43-2 <0.5%
-AC
Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
(Hive Bee)
08-02-04 00:14
No 523187
Yeah AC thats the same msds ive been looking at, i think ive just been reading it wrong.
Paraffins & Naphthenes 95%
The ingredient above can include n-hexane 110-54-3 <13%
Aromatic hydrocarbons <5%
Benzene 71-43-2 <0.5%
Where it says "The ingredient above can include n-hexane" i thought it meant the "Paraffins & Naphthenes" thats above that statement.
Your an individual just like everyone else
(Hive Bee)
08-02-04 04:46
No 523219
i think it does mean that....
its saying that overall there is 95% of Paraffins & Naphthenes, but <13% of that 95% CAN contain n-hexane, im guessing some contains 0% some contains 13% (of the 95%) so its just a statement to say it could be in there in varying %'s.....
Unless someone can find an alternate meaning to that, mindfull of the way its set out on paper.
-AC
Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
(Hive Bee)
08-02-04 13:39
No 523264
Aussie mineral turps doesn't dissolve pfed.fb at all well at room temperature either.
you may aswell use that, if worse comes to worst, you'll have to titrate or gas.
try 100% hydrocarbon based paint thinner for naptha. (painters and vanish makers?)
It'll extract PEG too, low solvency for pfed.fb at cool temperatures, just like the book says.