grandpa (Stranger)
01-11-04 10:41
No 481861
      sassafras not for sale in Canada ?     

Swim (from Canada) is having a hard time now to get his hand on the sassy oil. Swim knows about the new regulation that came into force january first 2004 in Canada, and is wondering if anyone had any luck since that date to find sassy in Canada.

Should swim give up and think about the eugenol way ? I UTFSE about eugenol ways, but not sure about the real chance of succes. Any succes story about eugenol synthesis?

desperate french canadian bee (flying very low in the cold)
 
 
 
 
    Dope_Boy
(Fag Magnet)
01-11-04 17:00
No 481920
      small amounts     

you can still purchase small amounts. look up "sassafras oil" on google.
 
 
 
 
    sYnThOmAtIc
(Hive Addict)
01-11-04 21:53
No 481935
      Vanillin is easier.     

Demethylating vanillin is easier in swims experience. They both produce the same chemical after demethylation, but vanillin can be harder to get in large quantities without ordering from fisher or synthing it from hyroxybenzaldehyde.. Which makes eugenol route more enticing.

I don't reccomend that route for the use of Dimethylsulfate. It is incredibly toxic and you wil need to construct a good fumehood if you value your life or health at all.

You may have better luck making piperonal from catechol or pepper. You can still order sassy of the internet in 500ml and 1L quantities, but I wouldn't if I were you. You can be your ass any sassy being sold is being watched very closely. I can't count the number of palces that quit selling it or require DEA form to purchase. That or they make you use a credit card to order it. I'd just find a new drug to do/make or start learning some grignard reactions if I were you. Safrole can be made rather easily, but tediously in rather low yields from cheap precursors. Piperonal and isosafrole are easier to make from raw materials.

EDIT: I mean ethyl vanillin.. I believe. I'll have to confirm that with swim when I can. I'm pretty sure it was an h2so4 demethylation of ethylvanillin? I believe it was a patent and may have been discussed here before.
 
 
 
 
    pooky
(Hive Bee)
01-12-04 16:18
No 482089
      Sass     

Yes... sass is more difficult to get,thanks to our not so friendly southern neighbours,and the regulations started changing in January 2003.Dope is right that one can find it in small quantities,just have to look.
P heard from a supplier the regulations allow 4 kg a month,and that the regulations were going to be loosening up,and the prices dropping in the summer;but look to pay $100 to 125 a kilo....but that's irrelavent.Good luck.
 
 
 
 
    chilly_willy
(Hive Bee)
01-12-04 17:37
No 482099
      d-e-yea!     

I think it is a little too early in the game to throw in the towel on sassy.  There are still plenty of places in the US and Canada that sell it.  Yes, the price has increased around double over the past year..but what did you expect?  We are a long way away from trying to steam distill our own..or develop totally new routes aside from the classic starting point methylenedioxyallylbenzene.  If you are having trouble finding the bulk $hit coming from the far east try going down home for your sources.  There are a lot of mom and pop places that make their own and are not high-tech enough to even market their warez on the WWW.  Seek and ye shall find!  And you guys should laugh at the D-E-Yea! form thing.  Its this simple.  Go to a place you have always bought from (the cheapest place) and CALL them about how you have always used this oil in you favorite candle scent blends that have been selling like gangbusters at the local flea market.  Be insistent to the point of aggravation with these people.  Then keep going with..what do I have to do to get 2 or 3 liters of this over nighted to me!  When they tell you what you have to do...usually involves a faxed (non-government) form with includes your full address...intent of use..and signature (with license photo-copy).  This form is usually non-government because a real "official-like" one doesnt exist!! It is mainly just the company covering their ass so they can respond if they get another ominous government letterhead threatening of costly and inconvenient audits of all their sales because of this dangerous illegal substance safrole. Go to a good friend of yours (one who has no exceptionally dangerous affiliation with drugs or crime) and tell him to fill out the $hit and fax his license in.  Usually this person will do this for nothing...but give him something of value so he will do it again.  Then- usually with all the commotion you stirred up over the phone (a secure line of course!!) they will overnight it for free!  It works!  Fuck the system dont let it fuck you!

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