Hansje (Hive Bee)
04-24-02 11:16
No 300851
       styrene to phenylacetic?  Bookmark   

Late last night, not completely sober, I was pondering the possibility of forming the pseudonitrosite of plain styrene, decomposing it and reducing the resulting nitrostyrene to phenyl acetaldehyde and oxidising the latter to phenylacetic acid. This morning I miraculously remembered my musings of the night before. I tried, but couldn't find anything using TFSE, so it's probably a stupid idea. Before I look any further I'd like to know if it really is and, if so, why.
Anybody?
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    Elementary
(Hive Addict)
04-24-02 11:31
No 300857
       DUUUR !  Bookmark   

Post 258134 (foxy2: "New preparation of phenylacetic acid", Chemistry Discourse)

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    Aurelius
(Hive Bee)
04-24-02 22:13
No 301125
       wilgerodt  Bookmark   

aurelius is just finishing up a styrene to phenylacetic acid with mass-spec analysis to boot.  so far, just have the sodium salt of the final product but a GOOD yeild seems to be in order.  haven't done any weighings of the salt so yeilds are still up in the air.  used the procedure at Rhodium's site ../rhodium /willgerodt.html
with a couple of variations (very minor)  when completely done a write up will be posted. 

Over-all, aurelius can say this- stinky, but VERY EASY.  		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Hive Bee)
04-25-02 03:07
No 301199
       wilgeroth  Bookmark   

Well, morpholine is out of the question for me and the S + NH4OH thing sounds pretty noxious. So my question, why not pseudonitrosite, remains unanswered.
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    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
04-25-02 05:02
No 301218
       Wha?  Bookmark   

You think ammonia is more noxious than nitric oxide fumes? Oh man are you in for a surprise.
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    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
04-25-02 05:07
No 301219
       Noxious  Bookmark   

PP: It is not the ammonia, but the copious quantities of H2S generated in the Willgerodt reaction that is the "problem". I'd choose a pseudonitrosite reaction in my kitchen over a willgerodt in my garage any day of the week. 		 
 
 
 
    Hansje
(Hive Bee)
04-26-02 09:31
No 301668
       nitric oxide  Bookmark   

I'd choose a pseudonitrosite reaction in my kitchen over a willgerodt in my garage any day of the week.

I wholeheartedly agree.

You think ammonia is more noxious than nitric oxide fumes? Oh man are you in for a surprise.

No, I don't think that and I won't be surprised by any fumes. I'll pass 'm over NaOH solution, which will readily absorb it to form NaNO2 again. Cleans up most noxiousness. Very economic too.smile
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