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(Hive Bee) 02-22-04 23:28 No 490448 |
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nano and rp/i suck try this instead | ||||||
well ive tried heaps of rp/i synths and ye they work but the process is a pain in the arse and all of the tabs and chems are now watched so why not go for the imine gringnard. toluene + calcium hypochlorite (paint thiner and pool bleach) ---> benzyl chloride benzyl chloride + magnesium (fire lighters at desposal store) -----> benzyl magnesium chloride ethanol + potassium di chromate + sulfuric acid ( metho + photo developing chem + battery acid) ---> acetaldehyde ethanol + sulfuric acid ---> ether any of the many methylamine synths I think I will try to do an Al/Hg on nitro in ether then filter Al(OH)2 sludge keeping ether/methylamine solution. methylamine + acetaldehyde ---> acetaldehyde methyl imine acetaldehyde methyl imine + benzyl magnesium chloride ---> racmic meth major dex minor lev why waist time making rp/i when in a one litre flask you can do this and end up with over 100 grams per shot. high yeilds from what ive read and I have checked all of these synths out in my orgranic synthises and they all seem to check out nice. maby its time to leave these stupid fucking pills alone and do some real chem. e3500 console login: root bash-2.05# |
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lugh (Moderator) 02-22-04 23:48 No 490453 |
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Not as easy as it sounds | ||||||
You're right in stating it all makes sense, but none have reported success but L_L, and many others have tried ![]() ![]() Chemistry is our Covalent Bond |
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ChemoSabe 02-22-04 23:49 |
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Get Busy with it Then!
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quantum (Hive Bee) 02-22-04 23:54 No 490455 |
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fucking magnesium | ||||||
so I have to get it from a chem supply place damb. any way that I can tell if the fire magnesium is good or not ive seen a few different types around. maby if I used lithium instead and did the gringrnard in dry ice instead then I can make the lithium pure as from lithium carbonate e3500 console login: root bash-2.05# |
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jemma_jamerson (Hive Addict) 02-23-04 04:28 No 490513 |
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or may i suggest | ||||||
ethanol + potassium di chromate + sulfuric acid ( metho + photo developing chem + battery acid) ---> acetaldehyde +toluene ---> benzaldehyde (ha just found a funny link http://www.faizkaskar.8k.com/proj.htm on MANUFACTURE OF BENZALDEHYDE BY LIQUID PHASE CHLORINATION OF TOLUENE..) for the bio synth of l-pac..then catalytic hydrgenation---->meth FEAR MY GEAR epistemologicide signed -nous http://www.counterorder.com |
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frosted (Stranger) 02-24-04 22:03 No 490851 |
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Magnesium. | ||||||
If you have a way to get pure magnesium, is this synthesis possible? Is the magnesium purity the only problem with this synthesis? There is a factory close by that produces products made of magnesium, so swim could get some scraps from there and use that. Unless there is something else wrong with this process as well. Any insights? They say you have the right to remain silent, but you have no rights. |
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RepVip (Hive Bee) 02-24-04 23:24 No 490872 |
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Ether | ||||||
My two cents: You should have a way easier time obtaining LG magnesium than making your own diethyl ether... Also you would need some practical lab experience and the proper glassware (of course) to do most of the synths you suggest. Its not as easy as it sounds, however, I am in total agreement that this is a better way than the mbrp/I(tincture), at least for some. |
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Organikum (Wonderful Personality) 02-25-04 08:24 No 490959 |
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lugh ? | ||||||
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lugh (Moderator) 02-25-04 12:10 No 490985 |
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Organic Syntheses | ||||||
OS is an abbreviation for Organic Syntheses, see Post 448168 (WizardX: "GRIGNARD AND RELATED REACTIONS", Stimulants) ![]() Chemistry is our Covalent Bond |
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Organikum (Wonderful Personality) 02-25-04 14:17 No 490991 |
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Oh ! | ||||||
me stupid ![]() ![]() Actually my first guess was "Operating System" - must be related to my profession... ![]() thanks ORG (not synthetic) EDIT But following this links shows me ALL Grignard reactions at Org.Synth. what is nice but not new to me. Sadly it answers in no way the question on WHICH Org.Synth. procedure was talked about. The one link provided by WizardX which MIGHT have been it "preparation..." leads to nowhere.... Sad but true. "Da steh ich nun ich armer Thor and bin so klug als wie zuvor..." Goethe, Faust. ![]() |
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skanic (Newbee) 02-25-04 17:32 No 491017 |
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benzyl magnesium chloride synthesis | ||||||
hello, what is the yield of the benzyl magnesium chloride synthesis, if BzCl and Mg are pure ? can we use an other solvent than diethyl ether ? |
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quantum (Hive Bee) 02-26-04 01:17 No 491111 |
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hehe | ||||||
as usual give em a bone and they want ya leg :) well as far as can it be done in other solvents the answer is yes and maby you would have benifeted more by reading the gringnard links lugh produced becouse then you would know why. this attitude that a lot of the hive has kills me the only question we should be asking is why is that not what science is about why use ether for a solvent. come up with that answer and you will find that you can use THF or even dibutylether. I have heard rumours of being able to do the second part of the gringnard in an aromatic solvent but the first part to my belife is catylized by the oxygen in the ether. so to answer correctly yes and no. but then if you were interested in chemistry and not your nose and pocket you would have known that. yes this works yes lugh is right about the firestarters and yes it is easier to buy somthing from a shop than to synth ether. but if you cannot synth ether what the fuck are you doing making drugs for human consumption. this place is a freedom but dont ever forget it is also a responsability. now for another idea (not mine just puting it in everyones face) toluene + hypochlorite ----> benzylchloride potassiumferricyanide + sulfuric acid ----> hydrogen cyanide hydrogen cyanide + sodium hydroxide -----> sodium cyanide benzylchloride + sodium cyanide -----> benzylcyanide benzylcyanide + sulfuric acid ----> phenylacetic acid acetone via pyrolysis -----> keten keten + water ----> acetic acid acetic acid + keten -----> acetic anhydride phenylacetic acid + acetic anydride with a dash of sodium acetate ----> phenyl-2-propalacetone potasium ferricyanide is used for photography and blue prints. be warned hyrogen cyanide and keten are fucking deadly. SO DONT TELL ME I FUCKING KNOW. peace all and keep reading rp/i'ers your time is nearly up and thank fuck for that e3500 console login: root bash-2.05# |
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skanic (Newbee) 02-26-04 11:40 No 491203 |
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thanks | ||||||
thank you quantum |
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stereoIsomer (Stranger) 02-26-04 21:07 No 491273 |
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yes- thanks quantum, and a note on the toluene | ||||||
Thanks for teeing up this pathway, quantum. I was told (by someone who knows, 2+ years ago) that meth was being synthesized industrially in the Americas via Toluene as initial building block. So, it should be encouraging to know that it's being done successfully as a large scale process this way. Whatever i can find out further about details, I will certainly post. The note on TOLUENE::: On the left-coast, some large DO-IT-YO-self supply warehouses no longer carry TOLUENE. Whilst shopping in the PRO SHOP of one of these orange & black behemoths, I was told by the floor-hand that Toluene's role in drug synthesis was the reason it is no longer on shelves. Fortunately the asian hardware store up the street sees no such conflict of interest- so at least it's not law out here. Nonetheless, this could be a trend and as always, be careful buying- it's possible to track (solvent) purchases over time to individuals, if for no other purpose than 1:1 marketing / data-mining........ peace! |
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frosted (Stranger) 02-26-04 22:17 No 491281 |
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So is this all theory? | ||||||
So is this all theory? Or can this actually be done? Has anyone tried it yet? They say you have the right to remain silent, but you have no rights. |
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WizardX (Wizard Master) 03-03-04 12:53 No 492627 |
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Updated links | ||||||
GRIGNARD AND RELATED REACTIONS http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/RxnTypes/se HIGHLY REACTIVE MAGNESIUM FOR THE PREPARATION OF GRIGNARD REAGENTS http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/prep.asp?pr n-PROPYLBENZENE, C6H5CH2CH2CH3 http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/prep.asp?pr Catalytic Dehydrogenation C6H5CH2CH2CH3 ==[-H2]==>> C6H5CH=CHCH3 |
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quantum (Hive Bee) 03-03-04 23:25 No 492778 |
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fucken legendary | ||||||
nice on wizard so now onto making potassium :) do you think that K will strip Mg of a sulfate ion as well as the chloride? e3500 console login: root bash-2.05# |
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quantum (Hive Bee) 03-03-04 23:39 No 492791 |
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nope just found the answer | ||||||
no can do only halides intersting that you can use Na as well e3500 console login: root bash-2.05# |
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ahgreich (Hive Bee) 03-04-04 07:21 No 492881 |
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MEK + Benzaldehyde | ||||||
Benzaldehyde + MEK acid catalyzed aldol simplest route to P2P that sb had seen lately. nothing foul like ketene or benzylchloride. |
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quantum (Hive Bee) 03-04-04 08:06 No 492888 |
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yes I know of that one :) | ||||||
but I am not so sure on the yeild of the beayer villiger oxidation. it all looks great untill you need some funky oxidizing agent to get over 30% yeild yucky just did the first step benzylchloride from toluene well its running now everythings sweet used 200g of hypochorite and an excess of toluene hoping not to get any di and tri halides cooking it on a water bath and there is no risk of explosion or fire. I have kept the temp of the water at around 95 C so as not to loose heaps of water (im not in the lab at the moment) and there are lots of little bubbles all over the place inside the flask, very smooth indead :) will let you know how I go and post yeild based on hypo tomorrow boiling battery acid then NaCN :) from ferricyanide if I dont post nice knowing ya all. e3500 console login: root bash-2.05# |
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amalgum (Hive Bee) 03-04-04 11:33 No 492918 |
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bio (Hive Bee) 03-05-04 11:07 No 493115 |
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if yields were over 30% this would be the ultimate | ||||||
Second try got 39% and that is being improved. If you read the patents by recycling they got quant. Working on this and sulfuric as catalyst. Also the dilution factor has been halved and the MePhBuO yield is up 25%. Do some research. I think 60% yields are possible without a fancy solvent or catalyst. With those in the review Rhodium just posted quit high yields would be possible without recycling which only makes sense if you are doing one batch after another. It is a lot of work but nothing compared to starting with what i've read in this thread. By the time you get to the last 2 or three steps you will be begging for mercy w/o real lab experience ![]() ![]() |
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amalgum (Hive Bee) 03-05-04 19:32 No 493199 |
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Shit, not even half of the work compared to... | ||||||
Shit, not even half of the work compared to other methods SWIM has tried. Yeah it would suck to do all that and come out with barely anything, but SWIM is in it more for the chemistry than anything else. SWIM likes to tinker. Also all procedures involved are really easy, all SWIM would have to obtain equipment wise is new vacuum pump (old one is peice 'o shit), everything else is on hand (SWIM spent big bucks on glassware). Peice of cake! Right now money is a limiting factor for SWIM, so when the available funds arise SWIM will be trying that route out for sure. |
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bio (Hive Bee) 03-05-04 21:08 No 493214 |
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likes to tinker. | ||||||
So many routes from PhCHO which you can make from PhMe with MnO2/H2SO4 or in a stainless steel furnace tube with air as oxidant and various catalysts. I used Cerium Molybdate for over 90% yield. Hell you could even use the same tube to make your P2P. Get MnO2 or MnCO3 from a pottery supplier or lantern battery if you don't want to deal with chem suppliers. If you don't want to buy List One stuff EtNO2 can be made quite easily from EtOH & Nitric acid per US4431842. Nitric acid is real cheap and you don't need much and it's not as suspicious as many seem to think. In all these years having bought just about everything in the book (not List One) no supplier has ever asked me what is it for. |
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quantum (Hive Bee) 03-09-04 03:38 No 493846 |
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ill try both :) | ||||||
yep made the chloride not very high in yeild though it worked man that stuff is horrible. I havent made the cyanide yet though I have made ketene and AA from it. the ketene was very easy with no problems. so far I have 150g of chloride ill keep on making it for the next two weeks by the look of it and I will make a heap of benzaldehyde as well to do the aldol. I was very disapointed at how low the yeald was for the chloride synth and this is with a 1000W HPS and a 33W fluro. though I have done three synths of the choride now and each one is getting better. maby ill make some aldehyde tonight have to see if time permits. ive got about 500g of NaNO2 for food use and have heard something from rhodium about using it with styrene to get to P2NP not so sure what he means though (like nitrosite of isosafrole or somthing). dont worry 6 weeks work for 50 grams is not such a big prob lets say I sell that for around $100 (not us) per gram which is not to hard here thats over $800 per week. im not realy wanting to get rich out of this just free of aquiring drugs from others and able to help thouse I know. is it possible to distill meth freebase with out a vacuum and if not how much vacuum do you need before it deteriates word of warning to thouse who follow the choride will make you angry give you headaches problems with your eyes and nose and it feels like DCM when it gets on your skin (though the pain lasts a lot longer. I would say this is due to the aromatic in the chem) is this shit going to make me sterile the thought has been in my mind for a few weeks now and after the chloride I have my suspicians. thanx for the posts e3500 console login: root bash-2.05# |
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Organikum (Wonderful Personality) 03-09-04 13:53 No 493933 |
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I guess that methamphetamine freebase can be... | ||||||
I guess that methamphetamine freebase can be distilled at STP without breaking down, but I would advise steamdistillation as this works like a charm. You dont even need an external steamsource - just put enough water in the flask - dont make it to full though - and here you go, nothing easier than this and very good results. Distilling directly into diluted HCl (10%) gives the salt immediately this should be recrystallized lateron. DCM hurting on the skin is new to me, but BzCl is the shit, even worse than chloroacetone IMHO - gloves and better ventilation/improvised fumehood are advised. good luck furtheron! |
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amalgum (Hive Bee) 03-10-04 21:26 No 494248 |
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I don't think I would attempt STP distillation | ||||||
I don't think I would attempt STP distillation of the freebase at all, unless it was steam distillation of course. However, thinking of most reductive amination methods from the ketone, SWIM would steam distill at the least, and highly reccomends using vacuum distillation instead. If your not using vacuum how do you plan on purifying that P2P? Steam distillation of the P2P (esp. from BzCl) probably will fuck up red. admin. giving low yeilds or maybe worse (due to impurities). Vac. distill. Maybe you can get by with a steam distillation and then purification with bisulfite. SWIM suggests running a TLC plate on finished ketone to be sure (trust me those kodak pre-coated plates are worth it).
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amalgum (Hive Bee) 03-10-04 21:35 No 494250 |
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Oh yeah almost forgot...... | ||||||
Oh yeah almost forgot...... Right now the majority of SWIMS equipment/chemicals is a couple hundred miles away, trying to arrange a trip to go retrieve them soon (within a week or two), then SWIM will be tinkering with the above methods once again! Also, SWIM was doing some research on hydratropic aldehyde the other day. This might be another option SWIM wants to tinker with if a good preferrably OTC source of cumene can be found. SWIM was thinking of using some of his dichromate salts, NaCl and H2SO4 to get chromyl chloride. Then SWIM will use that to oxidise the cumene to get hydratropic aldehyde. SWIM is still looking for more info on cumene oxidations (of all types, mainly details on the chromyl chloride route), so anyone out there with any info on this, SWIM will be glad to see it. This can be a great route potentially. Just three major steps to meth from cumene. Oxidation to HTA, then H2SO4 rearrangement to phenylacetone, followed by red. admin. |
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b159510 (Professional Student) 03-11-04 08:37 No 494326 |
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Meth heads do real chem? | ||||||
This is your suggestion for replacing the rP/I rxn? Grignard, completely dry conditions, dichromates, etc? Forgive me for saying so, but it seems like you don't understand why the rP/I rxn became popular to begin with. Even for those meth freaks who have to scrape matchbooks and extract from tincture, I imagine your method posted here would not be considered an improvement to them. I doubt they could even pull it off, and just might need to have some nice iodine crystals anyway to kick-off their less than shiny Mg from a lighter and their not so dry BzCl and homemade Et2O. (If they didn't scratch out their eyes from the BzCl before they even got to the Grignard.) True though, as you mentioned, if you can't get the pseudo you will need alternatives. If you have the skills etc. to go this way then you can probably do the hydrogenations, which are way cooler (IMHO) if you want to 'do some real chem'. Have fun and try not to kill yourself. fuckbush.de |
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amalgum (Hive Bee) 03-11-04 13:41 No 494380 |
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I never said that the above methods will ... | ||||||
I never said that the above methods will replace rp/i2. I was merely thinking aloud sorta.
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just passing through
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ADDkid 03-24-04 04:09 |
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Dude you are giving me a headache, with your...
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