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I2 make HI from I2 ---2HI, swim thinks that H come from the water, right?+ADw-br+AD4-But if swim make the synth with Ephedrine Hcl, the Cl will be free in the RXN. And the Cl will react with the water to make HCL in the rxn.same as I2(Both are in the sam group) but the I2 make HI, is this+ACY-nbsp+ADs- right? Is it better to use fb ephdrine so the Cl are in the RXN? +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-middle+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-page+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgA8-a name+AD0AIg-Post534727+ACIAPgA8-/a+AD4APA-/a+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPg- geezmeister+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-i+AD4-(+ADw-span title+AD0AIg-The user's title at the time of posting+ACIAPg-Of Counsel+ADw-/span+AD4-)+ADw-/i+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Posting date+ACIAPg-10-06-04 22:40+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Link to this post by using the markup +AFs-534727+AF0AIgA+-No 534727+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-vert+AF8-ruler+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/hr.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- height+AD0AIg-1+ACIAPg- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ADw-b title+AD0AIg-The subject of this post+ACIAPg-Ummm.... no.+ADw-/b+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-blockquote title+AD0AIg-Quoted text+ACIAPgA8-hr+AD4APA-p+AD4-I2 make HI from I2 ---2HI, swim thinks that H come from the water, right? +ADw-p+AD4APA-hr+AD4APA-/blockquote+AD4APA-p+AD4APA-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-You won't make HI from water and iodine alone. You will have a little I2 dissolve in the water. There are several ways to make HI from I2. They are noted in the stim forum faqs, in threads, and at Rhodium's site. Common methods include using red phosphorous, phosphorus acid, or hypophosphorous acid with iodine to generate HI. Another is by using KI and phosphoric acid. There are other methods. The writeups are available with a little searching. +ADw-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-Right now I might suggest you read more and reason less. The answers to your questions are already here if you look for them. 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Swim have utfs but have not find any answer to his question. Can the free Cl ion from the ephedrine hcl reduce the making of HI? +ADw-br+AD4-The rp/I2/H20 will make HI. Cl/I2/H20 will make HCL+ADw-br+AD4-Both are in the group halogens, and the Cl ion will react better with H20/rp than I2. +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-middle+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-page+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgA8-a name+AD0AIg-Post534740+ACIAPgA8-/a+AD4APA-/a+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPg- geezmeister+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-i+AD4-(+ADw-span title+AD0AIg-The user's title at the time of posting+ACIAPg-Of Counsel+ADw-/span+AD4-)+ADw-/i+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Posting date+ACIAPg-10-07-04 00:00+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Link to this post by using the markup +AFs-534740+AF0AIgA+-No 534740+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-vert+AF8-ruler+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/hr.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- height+AD0AIg-1+ACIAPg- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ADw-b title+AD0AIg-The subject of this post+ACIAPg-the acidic environment...+ADw-/b+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- You are going to combine water, phosphorous, and iodine which will create HI. You will react ephedrine HCl. While ephedrine HCl is polar soluble it doesn't disassociate in water or acid to freebase ephedrine, H ions and Cl ions.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- The acid is bound to the ephedrine during the reaction, and in order to free the acid from the ephedrine HCl you would have to subject it to a very basic environment, freebasing the amine. 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What hapend when the iodine connect to the ephedrine? 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rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-vert+AF8-ruler+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/hr.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- height+AD0AIg-1+ACIAPg- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ADw-b title+AD0AIg-The subject of this post+ACIAPg-not so stupid+ADw-/b+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- not such a bad question.+ADw-br+AD4-swim was under the impression that the Cl on the precursor did switch places with iodine at some point beefore basing. the chief implied recently that the displaced chlorine ends up in NaCl.+ADw-br+AD4-but where would the Na come from?+ADw-br+AD4-seems possible that the liberated Cl steals some P from the reactants.+ADw-br+AD4-whatever is happening, few argue that the freebase precursor enables a more vigorous reaction. +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-middle+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-page+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td 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title+AD0AIg-Posting date+ACIAPg-10-07-04 05:03+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Link to this post by using the markup +AFs-534775+AF0AIgA+-No 534775+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-vert+AF8-ruler+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/hr.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- height+AD0AIg-1+ACIAPg- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ADw-b title+AD0AIg-The subject of this post+ACIAPg-No+ADw-/b+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- The iodine never replaces the chlorine. It replaces the (unwelcomed) -OH that differentiates meth from ephedrine. The -HCL remains bound to the ephedrine (or meth) molecule. It is basically like this (although this simplifies the mechanics):+ADw-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-R-OH-R1.HCl --+ACY-gt+ADs- R-I-R1.HCl --+ACY-gt+ADs- R-H-R1.HCl+ADw-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-The HCl never gets replaced. +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-middle+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-page+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgA8-a name+AD0AIg-Post534820+ACIAPgA8-/a+AD4APA-/a+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPg- buz+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-i+AD4-(+ADw-span title+AD0AIg-The user's title at the time of posting+ACIAPg-Hive Bee+ADw-/span+AD4-)+ADw-/i+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Posting date+ACIAPg-10-07-04 15:38+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Link to this post by using the markup +AFs-534820+AF0AIgA+-No 534820+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-vert+AF8-ruler+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/hr.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- height+AD0AIg-1+ACIAPg- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ADw-b title+AD0AIg-The subject of this post+ACIAPg-thanks, tomjuan+ADw-/b+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- what about a freebase rxn? does the eph remain halogen free throughout the rxn? +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-middle+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-page+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgA8-a name+AD0AIg-Post534831+ACIAPgA8-/a+AD4APA-a name+AD0AIg-last+ACIAPgA8-/a+AD4APA-/a+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-top.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPg- geezmeister+ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-i+AD4-(+ADw-span title+AD0AIg-The user's title at the time of posting+ACIAPg-Of Counsel+ADw-/span+AD4-)+ADw-/i+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Posting date+ACIAPg-10-07-04 17:52+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-Link to this post by using the markup +AFs-534831+AF0AIgA+-No 534831+ADw-/span+AD4APA-br+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- class+AD0AIg-vert+AF8-ruler+ACIAPg- +ADw-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/hr.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- width+AD0AIg-1+ACI- height+AD0AIg-1+ACIAPg- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td rowspan+AD0AIg-2+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ADw-b title+AD0AIg-The subject of this post+ACIAPg-freebase reactions+ADw-/b+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACI- align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACIAPg- +ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-2+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-top+ACI- align+AD0AIg-left+ACIAPg- +ADw-br+AD4- Neither ephedrine nor pseudoephedrine freebase go through the reaction in the freebase form. As soon as the environment in the flask becomes acidic, ephedrine freebase will become ephedrine HI. +ADw-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-My experience reacting very clean pseudo HCl and very clean freebase pseudo in otherwise identical reactions finally satisfied me that there is no substantial yield advantage obtained by reacting the freebase form +ADw-i+AD4-per se+ADw-/i+AD4AOw- what advantage I did observe, and I think the advantage most bees observe, is IMHO a result of the freebase form usually being being cleaner than the HCl form, particularly where the salt form was obtained by evaporating alcohol used to extract the pseudo. Pseudo HCl+AFs-i+AF0- and freebase pseudo which are equally clean will produce equivalent yields from similar LWR's.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-My all-time best yield was from a LWR of brad-like spikes of pseudo HCl crystals formed by slow crystals growth in acetone and alcohol, repeated a number of times until spikes were the only crystals harvested. The difference between that yield and my best yield using freebase pseudo was smaller than my margin of error using my scales. I was genuinely surprised by the yield. I had become confident+ACY-nbsp+ADs- that freebase would always give better yields and was certain that the form used made the difference. +ADw-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-The results of the reaction with the painstakingly recrystallized pseudo HCl taught me that very clean pseudo HCl gives yields equivalent to equally clean freebase pseudo. Subsequent experience has repeatedly reinforced the opinion that improved yields are more a function of how clean the feedstock is than a function of its form. +ADw-br+AD4APA-br+AD4-Many well respected bees prefer to react the freebase form, and report better yields with it. I do not doubt their experience, and do not question their advice. Overall, I have had better yields doing freebase reactions than I have on average doing reactions of the HCl form. My experience merely suggests the form is not the controlling factor. +ADw-br+AD4- +ADw-span title+AD0AIg-The signature+ACIAPgA8-hr+AD4-mostly harmless+ADw-/span+AD4- +ADw-/td+AD4- +ADw-td+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-text+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-left+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/left+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-td valign+AD0AIg-middle+ACI- align+AD0AIg-center+ACI- colspan+AD0AIg-7+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-td align+AD0AIg-right+ACI- valign+AD0AIg-bottom+ACIAPgA8-img src+AD0AIg-../forum/images/right+AF8-bottom.gif+ACI- border+AD0AIg-0+ACI- height+AD0AIg-12+ACI- width+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgA8-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-tr class+AD0AIg-page+AF8-bg+ACIAPg- +ADw-td colspan+AD0AIg-9+ACIAPgAm-nbsp+ADsAPA-/td+AD4- +ADw-/tr+AD4- +ADw-/body+AD4- +ADw-/html+AD4-