04-09-00 20:29
No 107661
Hey fellas, I did my shopping at Home Depot. They had everything one would need including butane refillers in the same section where they keep propane for torches. I know that there are very few of us here that have experience with this method, but I must say that it has taken hardly any trouble to get all of the neccesary chems and if it works right, then it'll surely beat evaporating solvents and such. Anywayz, I just wanted to make sure I have everything down exactly correct b4 I go out to an open field and do this: I have 2 ft of steel pipe 1 inch in diameter. I have filled it with leaf and crappy bud from my last harvest. It is capped with pvc caps after using some teflon tape for a good seal. The entrance cap has one hole 7/64 inch in diameter. The exit cap has 3 holes of the same size. Does 2 ft of 1 in diameter sound like a good shape for this? It's more skinny than I'd like considering how much plant matter I have, but I figured it would be better for directing the flow of oil. Secondly, will the fact that there is a greater area for exit of fluid/gas compared to enterance cause problems with keeping the butane in liquid form? ThanX
(Member)
04-10-00 02:40
No 107662
Okay here's the scoop. A catholic priest who lives on my street, Father Boyfondler, has done this method many times. He says your pipe is a bit long and skinny, yes, but it shouldn't matter. The main thing is that the butane moves down through it and out the bottom. Don't pack the herb in there, just keep tapping it and let it settle. Give yourself a couple inches of headroom at the top so the gas can enter. Make sure your butane is NOT of the odorized variety (the can should say "odorant added" if it is). If it is, the product will have a stinky sulfur taste and odor. I know, because I watched the good father make this mistake his first time and use butane from the camping supply store. He still worries about what he may have been smoking along with the THC there before he figured out his mistake. The only source for NON-odorized butane I know of is those cans used for cigarette lighter refill. They are usually yellow and blue and say "Clipper" on them for the brand name.
Regarding your question about the hole size etc.: no, it's no problem because the butane liquifies in there and moves down the pipe as a liquid. It exits as a liquid too, but quickly starts boiling at ambient temp since it is so volatile. Father Boyfondler likes to place the receiving beaker in a saucepan of hot water to speed up this evaporation.
Good luck my son...
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(Member)
04-10-00 05:55
No 107663
I have witnessed the butane method.I am curious how one would go putting green stock in a vessel,and pumping steam thru to steam distill the oil.May bee trying this soon.
(Member)
04-10-00 17:56
No 107664
Thanx Methyl Man. One question though, what do you think would be the ideal diameter and length? The reason I used 1 inch diameter and 2 ft. length instead of say, 2 inch diameter and 1 ft. length is because I figured that with a smaller diameter more fluid will run through a given area of the pipe.
(Moderator)
04-10-00 19:35
No 107665
Think iso-butane. LT/
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WISDOMwillWIN
(Member)
04-10-00 20:27
No 107666
Wait r u trying to say I am supposed to use iso-butane, not regular butane?
Well, I just got back from the field were I had attempted to do the extraction. It didn't work. The first foot of metal pipe frosted over, but not the second foot. This is where I feel my problem is. I pumped in 120 g of BUTANE, but the bottom half never got cold enough to keep the butane liquid. Damn, it is going to take a long fucking time to procesess all my herb if I have to do it in batches that fit in a 1 in. diameter by 1 ft. pipe. Methyl man, you said that maybe I should use a wider pipe. Do you think my problem is what I think it is, because if it were so, then I would think widening the pipe would cause the same problem as having it be too long?
(Member)
04-10-00 23:15
No 107667
Mr. Amine:
About isobutane, perhaps LT knows that it works even better. I don't know. But butane works fine, believe me. Plus (assuming you're in the US), I don't think you can get OTC isobutane with no additives very easily at all.
Now, relax... your results there sound like you just didn't have enough butane. Did you notice it back-spewing as a gas out of the entrance hole at all? Possibly, you packed the weed too tight in there and the problem is that the butane was not able to move freely enough through the pipe and you lost it out the top hole. Whatever the problem was, it was something simple and I can assure you the method works well and is very easy. Look at the simple physics involved and figure out what the hangup is.
I think the pipe that the padre uses (PVC, yuck) is about 1.5 ft long with 3-inch diameter. If that's not exactly it, it's damn close. And that works great for him, but he has to use two 300mL cans of butane to really extract well the large load of leaf in there. What size (in mL) was the can of butane you used?
(Member)
04-10-00 23:21
No 107668
By the way, it's really not the cold temp that's keeping the butane liquid---it's the confinement. Think about a cigarette lighter... it doesn't have to be cold to work. It's the fact that the butane can't get out quickly that keeps it liquid. Similarly, when you have it confined in the pipe, it's seeking the bottom holes but has to get by the weed first (forgot to tell you it's a good idea to plug the top hole with your finger after injecting the butane and while waiting for it to exit out the bottom), thereby effecting the extraction.
Try again, you'll nail it.
(Member)
04-11-00 14:20
No 107669
Thanks Man. Yea I figured I should plug the top hole when I was doing it. My butane cans are closer to 50 ml although I'm not sure cuz it's all desribed in weight and I'm not about to go look that shit up. The name on the can is Bernz-O-matic. Where the fuck do ya find 300 ml cans of butane? My physics problem is that since there are 3 holes for the exit and thus 3 times the area of the entering hole, this would make it a problem with maintaining the needed pressure. Maybe packing the weed very tight, but barely not too tight is the optimal setup. And what about pluging the exit holes while filling? Oh well, I'm going to go try 1 ft with two of those cans right now.
(Member)
04-11-00 16:35
No 107670
Oh man, 50 mL isn't anywhere near enough. You need the shit to come dribbling out hard out of there when it finally gets to the bottom. You need to basically *soak* the material inside for the extraction, that's the idea.
And BTW, actual pressure isn't part of this. You're not trying to contain pressure. The confinement of the pipe is enough to keep it from gassing out. Here's something important I should have added: you need to put in enough butane so that you have barely finished injecting it, or maybe are still injecting it, when it starts coming out of the bottom. That's why you need a big can or two of butane. Father Boyfondler gets his from liquor stores and cigarette shops.
If you can only get ~50 mL cans, have 10 of them ready and do 'em all in rapid succession! The butane coming out the bottom into your receiving container (glass beaker!) should be a pale, piss-yellow like color.
(Member)
04-11-00 20:56
No 107671
I am missing something cuz the butane has never dripped out. It sure as hell gasses out though. I went out to the field and I couldn't separate the two 1 ft. lengths of pipe cuz they were screwed together too tight. So, I tried two cans with 2 ft. and it didn't work. I got the pipes separated and I'm gonna steal 5 of those cans tomorrow and do it on a 1 ft. piece. Thanks for all the interest. I'm not giving up.
(Moderator)
04-12-00 00:29
No 107673
NO ! Did you ever try? LT/
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WISDOMwillWIN
(Member)
04-12-00 10:05
No 107672
A straight non-polar solvent extraction will give you a better yield of oil and much cheaper I might add. Have tried both,butane is novel in approach and its selectivity is apparent,but requires multiple extractions to get all the oil. Refluxing material in non-polar solvent,filter,evap. will give you much higher yields. Starting material that is steeped in a large excess of hot water first (de-carboxylation) ~30min, then dried and used will help yields also.
(Member)
04-14-00 17:34
No 107674
Methyl Man, you are my homie! Thanx so much for the encouragement. I just came back from doing a tightly packed (with leaf) 1 ft by 1 in (diameter) tube using three of the bottles described before. It was great! I tried to keep the bottom plugged with my finger figuring that this would keep the pressure higher and thus more liquid butane. All of the sudden my finger couldn't hold anymore and the bottom exploded with beutiful gold oil into my pyrex dish! By halfway through the third can the butane started to come out clear and I knew that the job was done
. This method is the shit because you get the purest in a matter of minutes. Everyone should extract THC and maybe even salvorin A this way. Fuck evaporating off solvents!
(Member)
04-14-00 17:43
No 107675
Oh one last thing, butane does naturally smell doesn't it? I didn't see a warning on the can, but I could smell somethin'. But it wasn't a super strong odor.
(Member)
04-14-00 23:06
No 107676
Yeah I think butane has a natural odor that is pretty weak, and hard to describe. The main thing is that once it's evap'd off you shouldn't smell any kind of stinky sulfur-like odor, or taste/smell it in the smoked product.
So that's great, you got the hang of it now. I suggest getting a much wider pipe, like 3", to make loading and emptying the thing a lot easier.
One thing that's important that hasn't really been said about all this is that people really should stop smoking pot plant matter, as it's so harmful to the lungs. Once you start smoking the oil only for a while, you'll see how much damage you were doing with the burning plant just to get the oil coating the outside (aka resin).
HASH OIL FOREVER!!
(Member)
04-15-00 03:18
No 107677
Agreed Methyl Man. That is the only thing that ever really bothers me about my THC ingestion. I sometimes get really stoned, and then I feel guilty about my lungs.
-DA
(Moderator)
04-18-00 16:24
No 107678
Here, another one:
freejon
unregistered posted 11-06-1998 08:15 AM
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This is my original post and idea.
Please pass it on.
there will be no interference from frozen material, you cannot pack the pipe hard enough. I did this as a first with grass(pot) for the oil then for dmt it works like a charm.
Nothing will impead you if you do as posted..
It is the BEAST extraction method in the world. You can use carbon dioxide gas as well.
Please do not assume that anything will go wrong with the way posted, those who have not tried it will winder all day what can go wrong the rest of us will be too high to care..................freejon(=Gyrogearl
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WISDOMwillWIN
(Member)
04-18-00 21:25
No 107679
I agree, this method is the shit! I am going to do it with salvia divinorium leaves and then maybe some phalaris grass after I finish converting all my fluffy bud and leaf into a GOLDEN OIL. I want to isomerize all of my oil and then turn atleast part of it into its acetate. If anyone has any experience or know how with the acetate part (using acetic anhydride) their comments would be appreciated. My one problem with the method is that I feel a bit guilty having stolen about 20 butane refillers (60 mL) and I still have not found a good source for a larger size. Today, I called all of the camping supply places around and they only had isobutane or a butane/propane mix. I think I'd prefer n-butane over isobutane as n-butane's bp is -.45 deg. C, while iso is -11.7 deg. C (less gas wasted).
(Member)
04-19-00 02:36
No 107680
LT, would you care to disagree about isobutane?
(Member)
04-20-00 03:50
No 107682
Hate to rain on the pvc parade, but blow butane through your pipe before you load it. I discovered that it welds the threads shut... either it leaches some plasticizer that gets through onto the threads or it melts them a bit...either way, they froze up tight... use stainless
(Moderator)
04-20-00 12:22
No 107681
Good, a little example:
put 1 cm3 dry-ice and 1cm3 water-ice beside eachother in the sun.
Guess which one is gone the first, and which one stays a fluid the longest.
Capice? Now get your dammn iso-butane. LT/
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WISDOMwillWIN
(Member)
04-22-00 04:44
No 107684
I have found that it is impossible to open the pipe right after doing an extraction just b/c it's so damn cold. I use pvc caps and an iron tube. Once it warms up, it is much easier.
LT, call me dense, but I didn't understand how your dry ice example had anything to do with iso-butane. If I do it with iso-butane, I will have to make a new and improved setup. I am not complaining about this because the iso tanks are much larger and thus my tube will get to be much larger, holding more plant matter. But, I will have to fit my cap with a screw on fitting for the threaded part on the iso tank.
God I love having a GOLDEN THC oil. So pure and good. I am going to isomerize it very soon. It is hard to hold off on using it although I know I should wait until after isomerization. Anybody got instructions/tips on making the acetate?
(Member)
04-22-00 04:50
No 107685
One thing I will add is that I think it is very important to plug up the bottom holes with your finger when first loading with butane. This increases the pressure and thus increases the ammount of liquid butane in the tube. I have not plugged the tube and gone through 2 whole canisters with nothing but gas coming out. Then I have plugged the tube initially and about 2/3 through the first canister, my finger pops off as oil explodes from the bottom.
(Moderator)
04-22-00 12:17
No 107683
Use enough teflon-tape on the threads, and then high-vacuum grease on that. LT/
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WISDOMwillWIN
(Member)
04-22-00 15:26
No 107686
Does this method work on salvia?
(Member)
04-23-00 06:10
No 107687
Don't know for sure YET.
( )
04-26-00 05:55
No 107688
get 1ft pvc pipe put end caps on both ends drill a fee holes in one end 1 single in the other mull up gear pack in pipe atatch butane to singe hole and hold down untill empty collect thc and butane out of bottom butane will evaperate easy leeving THC YEAAAAAAAA WILL WORK HAVE DONE IT PROPANE WILL WORK TO
(Stranger)
01-13-03 16:17
No 397908
try putting the tube in the freezer for 1/2 an hour bee4
extraction.
(Stranger)
01-15-03 20:22
No 398618
reading elsewhere on the net salvia has been extracted using butain method. i read this and saw pics of it being done. the extracted goo was a dark colour...
swit uses 1 1/4 pipe 2 ft long...
single hole in the top
many large holes in the bottom
bottom covered with coffee filter.
things to remember
pvc makes your goo taste like shit/ not to good for you either i think.
do not use freshly dried bud/leaf.
cure it then you will have a golden oil not just black/very dark green shit.(still gives you a good buzzzzzz).
make sure weed is super super super dry
pack tube and leave in freezer overnite befor runnung butane thru it(esp if it is a hot day).
thoughts for the future
larger diameter tube surrounded by an even larger tube. fill space between tubes with crushed dry ice.
have a tap on bottom of sml tube small hole on top of small tube.(large tube top is open).
fit a water trap to small hole.( after fillin with butane).
process
fill with weed (small tube)
fill with dry ice (large tube)
let sit for 1hr /approx
fill with butane
attach water trap
wait till water trap starts to bubble (this is when most of the dry ice has melted and the butane is startin to evap/build pressure)
plug top hole
place tap over a collection/evap dish
open tap
evap and smoke/eat/drink
emjoy
(Hive Bee)
01-17-03 18:13
No 399254
Here is some info I gathered from a book called
Cannabis alchemy from D.Gold
THC acetate has twice the potency of THC(14.6 compared to 7.3 on Adams scale). (I dont have a clue what Adams scale is)
Furthermore, there is a 25% increase in weight after adding the acetate structure
Fumes from heated acetic anhydride are very flammable and poisonous.
You need a sealed box to work in.
The box should be equipped with an adequate exhaust fan with a sparkless electric motor to quickly evacuate any fumes that may arise
An artificial atmosphere is created with anhydrous nitrogen gas
I also have a protocol for making it so if you want it, let me know, I'll post it here. Anyway I'm under the impression that acetic anhydride isnt so easy to get. As a matter of fact, Canada has just rescheduled it at the same time they did for safrole and a couple of other stuff. I would think the US would be even harder but I could be wrong, depending on bees.
Good luck anyway, you just made me feel like making a pipe bomb myself, hey we have so much weed over here its ridiculous. And to say that 80% goes to the state, we still have so much. Cheap electricity!!
(Chief Bee)
01-17-03 18:36
No 399258
The statement about "THC acetate" being more potent than standard THC is a false claim, and references for this has been provided in the past here at the Hive: Post 342953 (Rhodium: "R. Mechoulam rates higher than D. Gold", Novel Discourse)
(Hive Bee)
01-18-03 08:10
No 399392
That why I said I didnt know what the Adams scale is. Having never smoked the acetate form I wouldnt now. But then why would someone want to make the acetate if it offers nothing? I didnt want to UTFSE because it was merely a contribution from a book that I'm not sure is any good. And making the acetate isnt part of my plans, I like smoking the oil or the buds. It just sucks that smoking weed increases your chances of getting lung cancer a lot more then regular cigarettes do(at least from a study from a group in England). But hey we all have to die sometimes
(Chef d'Equippe)
01-18-03 13:44
No 399466
"Thats why I said I didnt know what the Adams scale is. Having never smoked the acetate form I wouldnt now. But then why would someone want to make the acetate if it offers nothing?"
Probably for the same reasons millions of people redundantly worship an 'invisible man' in the sky....
Because they read about it in a book and ignorantly believe everything they read, or some other ignorant quasi-human convinced them to do it. Keep in mind that more people have been killed in the name of 'God' than for any other reasons, including cancer & cigarettes.
It just sucks that smoking weed increases your chances of getting lung cancer a lot more then regular cigarettes do(at least from a study from a group in England).[quote]
Tell that to my mother who is almost dead from lung cancer because of smoking 3 packs a day for 35 years. Let me guess who probably funded that propaganda/group-study.....
Philip Morris...
I now see why Rhodium desperately needs to upgrade his server, to make more room for these useless threads posted by ignorant waifs that believe they are making a generous contribution to the community by posting a bunch of useless, unsubstantiated facts & maniacal ramblings that they have convinced theselves of to be true & is of the utmost importance for the rest of the world to hear this crap............
GODISNOWHERE
Shoot Narcs, Not Drugs
01-18-03 14:53
(Rated as: insignificant)
(Stranger)
01-18-03 21:19
No 399599
This is one area that's rife with disinformation from my experience. Or at least has been, and continues to suffer from trickle-down. Grafting cannabis onto hops plants was a good one (Bill Drake where are you now?). I don't think that I ever believed that one, even as a callow youth.
It's educational though. The lesson being don't believe everything that you read.
-a_mean_bee
Together we can lick Bush!