mtnfrogger198 (Newbee)
03-27-03 02:40
No 421576
      Glycol Storage ?  Bookmark   

Is it ok for swim to store the isosafrole monoformyl glycol / formic acid solution, or will it rearrange itself?
 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
03-27-03 02:50
No 421583
      Glycol stability  Bookmark   

Post 207172 (Ritter: "stability of isosafrole glycol", Methods Discourse)

It will not keep in acid solution though, remove all traces of acid (wash with Na2CO3, water & brine) and it will keep very long.
 
 
 
 
    mtnfrogger198
(Newbee)
03-27-03 04:29
No 421612
      Sweet, like honey...  Bookmark   

Thanks Rhodium!

I read the forum containing arguments about the improved performic reaction. I'm still a little unclear on how to undertake the initial extraction. Let me outline...

1) Flood the reaction contents with water
2) Extract with DCM x3
3) Now, is this where we wash with bicarb? <-------
4) Remove the DCM via vac.distillation...
5) Perform the H2SO4 hydrolization

I couldn't find any posts on neutralizing the leftover formic acid with baking soda. Has this been tried, or will it fuck up the glycol?

Thanks again...........wink
 
 
 
 
    wolfx
(Hive Bee)
03-27-03 18:28
No 421755
      Peracetic  Bookmark   

Would the same apply to the peracetic ? I think so, but I would like to have a confirmation.

Also, after the main reaction, there are two NaOH washes ( before the MeOH / H2SO4 reflux ), what else would be necessary before storing the glycol.
 
 
 
 
    abacus
(Hive Bee)
03-27-03 23:58
No 421807
      Read Labtop extensive write up  Bookmark   

Look ay Labtops sticky threads, the details you seek are very well described, or UTSE, its all here

If you want to make glycol then as rhodium mentioned remove traces of acid for storage,

But if the goal is to make ketone, then after stirring for 24 hours, pour into a seperating funnel and let the layers seperate.  Remove the DCM layer and distill DCM away until monoformyl glycol is left.  This is done at atmopsheric pressure and until the liquid temperature reaches 80DegC.

Then hydrolyse with 15% H2SO4 as described.  The wash of the crude ketone is NOT done by using NaOH but by using a saturated bicarb solution.  Then vacuum distill the ketone. 

Abacus