08-31-04 06:09
No 528414
Hello, I am a total stranger to chemistry, but I am aware that many industrial chemicals can be used to make various substances. I have compiled a small list of some available chemicals I can get. Could some one please tell me if any of these is hard to come by or usefull:
-Acetone
-Polyimide
-N-Methyl Pyrrolidinone (NMP)
-Titianium Isopropoxide
-White phosperous powder
-Blue phospherous powder.
-Petroleum Ether.
-N,N Dimethylacetamide.
-Ethyl Hexenol.
-"Penair"
Thanks for any information that could be provided.
Stimulant Fiend
(Hive Addict)
08-31-04 06:15
No 528415
As a "total stranger" to chemistry, I advise you to touch none of them. Some of those chemicals are deadly, if handled incorrectly.
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(Stranger)
08-31-04 06:56
No 528424
I handle these chemicals properly everyday, I just do not know if they are valuable for substance making.
I move cane like an old man
(Hive Addict)
08-31-04 07:01
No 528425
You handle White Phosphorous every day (100 mg can kill a person)?
.......are you telling me that you handle P4 everyday in your workplace, and yet you lack the knowledge of what else it can be used for?
SACRED COWS MAKE THE BEST HAMBURGERS
(Hive Bee)
08-31-04 09:43
No 528448
either way no one will answer your question, UTFSE.
Your an individual just like everyone else
(Stranger)
08-31-04 12:14
No 528463
Hi guys! In my country it's not possible to buy methanol without a special license - which i do not want to get, because they will come and look if stored correctly...
Ethanol costs the double price, but there is also a much much cheaper stuff available, which contains mostly ethanole and some other shit (some denaturated alcohol made of some woodshit, extremly bitter), so that an alcofix can not drink it. i thought it might be easy to distill out the ethanol, but i thought maybe first ask some of you guys, if this is an good idea or not. I don't know exactly with what stuff they mix it, so i do not know how this extrashit will react during synthesis. Otherwise no problem, i will spent the extra money for the 98% Ethanol in the pharmacy...
Thanx in advance,
DF
(Newbee)
08-31-04 12:23
No 528464
If its a mix of more than one type of alcohol, you wont have much luck distilling, the BP are only a degree or two apart. If it not more than one alcohol, maybe you can, it depends on what the other shit is. I belive you can look-up the number on the side of the can to find out. Depending on what your doing with the alcohol, you might be able to just use the denatured shit(the ethanol is usually denatured with methanol,but sometimes its other shit to).
P.S. What country do you live in that wont allow you to have Methanol, just curious
Rasputin
(Hive Adickt)
08-31-04 13:34
No 528475
Blue phospherous powder
That a hard one to get, but iff you doo I would love a picture of it
(Quasiquerumodo)
08-31-04 14:21
No 528477
dunno if you're joking, hest, but violet phosphorus does exist.
from webelements.com (i guess this is violet phosphorus??):
He always lied while on the earth and now he's lying in it
(Hive Addict)
08-31-04 15:11
No 528482
blue/violet P??? interesting... wonder what it does, may look into that...
i thought there was only white, red and black... cool! Learn somethin every day!
Well as its been said i agree with abolt... dont touch it if you have no idea about chemistry... read books and stay alive! then and only then once you know everything you need try something....
-AC
Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
(Stranger)
08-31-04 17:38
No 528518
I work at the production end of a company, and thus I do not know alot about what I work with. Is there more than one kind of blue or white phospherous powder? Because I defidently have white and blue phospherous powder, and you guys make it sound good. What is the street value of this? They come in white plastic bottles not sure how big maybe around 500ml??
I move cane like an old man
(Quasiquerumodo)
08-31-04 18:20
No 528526
that's (part of) the structure of violet P:
of course the atoms are Ps and the O is another of those 1D-structures.
(source: wikipedia.de)
He always lied while on the earth and now he's lying in it
(Hive Bee)
08-31-04 21:42
No 528561
Could you maybee post a picture of this blue phosphorus powder? red, white, violet, scarlet, and black are the usual forms noted, there are several crystalline modifications of red phosphorus.
In addition, I have heard tell of a brown form, and a glassy grey type, although only passing references.
I DID hear mentioned in passing, of blue phosphorus, and also to a green modification made by supercooling white P vapour at a very high temperature to about -200 in liquid nitrogen.
(I need not add, do not try this at home folks
)
Kids, say NO to the DEA!
(Hive Adickt)
08-31-04 22:26
No 528569
Funny how a post can turn into something different when somone try to be smart (red me).
Guess i Own Plus_four a anser
(Hive Addict)
09-01-04 00:14
No 528596
Well read the info on each one and judge for yourself as to their use and potential for harm if mis-used......java
Acetone.....http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals
Polyimide...http://www.efunda.com/materials/polymers
N-Methyl Pyrrolidinone....http://www.kemi.se/kemamne_eng/nmetyl2p_
Titianium Isopropoxide.......how it's used no info on goggle
Polymer-assisted deposition of metal-oxide films
Q. X. Jia, T. M. McCleskey, A. K. Burrell, Y. Lin, G. E. Collis, H. Wang, A. D. Q. Li, S. R. Foltyn
SUMMARY: Metal oxides are emerging as important materials for their versatile properties such as high-temperature superconductivity, ferroelectricity, ferromagnetism, piezoelectricity and semiconductivity. Metal-oxide films are conventionally...
CONTEXT: ...the solution during processing, although the hydrolysis can be slowed down by introducing acetylacetone into titanium isopropoxide. Even more challenging for sol–gel processing of complex metal-oxides is the identification of a......
Nature Materials3, 529 - 532 (01 Aug 2004) Letters
White Phosphorus.....http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements
Blue Phosphorous...(blue is a variationof black and violet )http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements
Petroleum Ether.... http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/ch
N,N-DIMETHYLACETAMIDE....http://www.itcilo.it/actrav/actrav-engli
Ethyl Hexenol.....Aroma chemical, organic synthesis feedstock
Penair.......http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/msds/
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.......
-Emiliano Zapata-
(Hive Bee)
09-01-04 00:28
No 528602
Here is an extensive list allthough not complete, asto the allotropes of phosphorus, there is next to no information on some of these forms on google though. Credit goes to one of the members of sciencemadness, although I can't remember who, but credit to the person that did upload this to scimadness
Kids, say NO to the DEA!
(Stranger)
09-01-04 07:05
No 528772
ammonium phosphate i think its called
I move cane like an old man
(Hive Bee)
09-01-04 07:17
No 528775
Ammonium phosphate is better known as fertilizer, AFAIK its useful for fertilizing, and shit all else, you mentioned white P, WP can be converted to red P by prolonged heating, just was RP can be made into WP by the same heating.
Bee carefull if you try though, it needs to be heated for a day or so in a hot flame, in a sealed borosillicate glass container, remember WP has a lethal dosage of around 50 mg, and if you use a metal container, the metal could react with the WP to form phosphides that liberate EXTREMELY toxic phosphine gas (PH3) on contact with moisture.
Kids, say NO to the DEA!
(Quasiquerumodo)
09-01-04 09:25
No 528802
> (blue is a variationof black and violet ) http://pearl1.lanl.gov/periodic/elements
this site says nothing about blue phosphorus?
and i wonder why all english publications treat violet phosphorus as a variation of the
black form? they are quite different!
He always lied while on the earth and now he's lying in it
(Hive Bee)
09-01-04 16:07
No 528848
I think violet phosphorus is made by recrystallising white P slowly out of molten lead with a trace amount of sodium,
I think that is the way to make violet P, although it leads to scarlet phosphorus if I remember it correctly.
Kids, say NO to the DEA!
(Newbee)
09-07-04 22:47
No 530166
I think is used, perhaps with aluminum alkyls, to produce a polymerization catalyst for plastics manufacture.
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