07-15-01 04:09
No 190655
someone i met the other day told me that when following the quantum tantra DMT extraction guide from Mimosa hostillis they extracted almost pure crystals the first 2 times, but the third time following the same process extracted a thick oil that did not crystallize but was still very active. Every time he has extracted since he has ended up with an oil and not a crystal. He can not figure out what he has done wrong. Could it be due to the fact that his sep funnel was not totally cleaned or that he was using a rubber dropper to suck out the naptha? It seems to me that naptha slightly corrodes rubber. How would he purify this oil or convert it into crystal DMT freebase?
Also what is the quickest and most efficient way to evaporate off remaining naptha to reveal DMT crystals?
He usually just puts fan blowing above a glass baking dish, but sometimes it takes too long.
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(Hive Bee)
07-15-01 05:49
No 190669
How would he purify this oil or convert it into crystal DMT freebase?
So what do you think the oil contains? Now think about it, you made your MHRB water soluble by addition of acid and then you basified it into a freebase into your solvent...evaporated the solvent and got left with DMT freebase and some other stuff that looks like ear wax 0 but which still sends you to 'the other place'
Try a cold water rinse, although personally I think DMT is such a wonderful and rare ( in my neck of the woods) compound I'd be hesitant in losing any down the drain - unless of course you've got shitloads of it!
You prolly do more harm to your lungs crossing a busy city street anyway
(Moderator)
07-16-01 04:33
No 190838
DMT usually has a waxy consistency due to it's low melting point (around 40°C). Real crystals are highly unlikely.
(Hive Bee)
07-16-01 12:50
No 190898
Even DMT.HCl has a waxy feel.
(Chief Bee)
07-16-01 16:36
No 190932
DMT HCl? Shulgin states that the hydrochloride of DMT is almost impossible to form. How did you do it?
Is there a salt of DMT that readily forms nice white crystals?
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(Hive Bee)
07-16-01 16:51
No 190934
If I recall correctly,you get a solid white product almost directly, but is only a bit more solid than the freebase. OTOH, it could well be that I'm mistaken, since I made some DPT in that time frame too, and it is more than a year ago when I did those synths.
(Hive Bee / Eraser)
07-16-01 17:46
No 190937
not sure about the look of these crystals, but they do have a higher melting point than the 'crystals' merck10 mentions;mp44.6-46.8 pKa8.68(ethanol-water).
Picrate-mp 169.5-170
methiodide-mp 216-217
CAUTION may produce serious psychologic disturbances. hehehehe.
utmost thanks and respect to all who helped put the new hive here.
(Moderator)
07-16-01 19:44
No 190963
I'm pretty sure that it's oxalate is a good to handle powder. But it's not the best choice for consumption.
(Stranger)
07-17-01 20:42
No 191235
I think those big ass crystals are grown by taking a super saturated solution and dropping in seed crystals. Yah, I think its retarded to take a month extrating 4 doses. Imagine if you spilled!
(Moderator)
07-17-01 21:08
No 191245
The carbonate may also be a good idea. Tryptamine bases usually form carbonates on prolonged exposure to air.
(Hive Bee)
07-17-01 21:45
No 191254
Is this real? If yes then why are you even bothering with the hippy plant extraction?
In a 500 mL RB flask, 6.38 g crushed NaOH, 0.3 g benzyl triethyl ammonium chloride, and 150 mL DCM are combined, and allowed to stir at room temperature for 15 minutes. 5 g of tryptamine are added, and the mixture is allowed to stir
for 1 hour. 11 g MeI is added, and the solution is allowed to stir overnight. The next day, the solution is checked via TLC for completion, the inorganic material is filtered out, extracted with DCM, and discarded. The solution is
combined with the DCM washing, and is washed with H2O. It is then dried over MgSO4, and the solvent is evaporated off, yielding the final product (DMT).
Yield: 98%
(Hive Bee)
07-17-01 21:58
No 191257
Is that Drone's "Breath of Hope" (er, Hoax?) synth, the one that nobody could ever reproduce?
Pardon if I don't have my facts straight...
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(Stranger)
07-17-01 22:06
No 191262
I realy want to know whether or not drone's method works.
(Moderator)
07-17-01 23:38
No 191288
It's a hoax. UTFSE
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(Hive Addict)
07-18-01 00:40
No 191301
Ummm
What about the ethanolamine conversion of the quanternary ammonium salt to the tertiary amine?
This has only been mentioned in rather offhand remarks. Well at least what I have found. Has anyone tried this?
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(Stranger)
07-18-01 01:46
No 191314
What about drone's method for decarboxylation of tryptophan?
(Hive Bee)
07-18-01 05:31
No 191375
Is drone a lying rat?
(Hive Bee)
08-04-01 10:53
No 201281
"The carbonate may also be a good idea. Tryptamine bases usually form carbonates on prolonged exposure to air."
Or, if you want it quick, you could drop the freebase into a flask of dry ice. If it works on meth-freebase, then I can't see why it wouldn't work on tryptamines.
In the book, "Psychedelic Chemistry", Michael V. Smith says that if tryptophan is oxidized with H2O2 and cyclised with HCl, a psychedelic compound is created. He said that the original reference didn't give details, and didn't even tell what the fuck was created.
I'm going to help all of you cleanse this diseased planet.
(Hive Addict)
08-04-01 20:50
No 201361
In the book, "Psychedelic Chemistry", Michael V. Smith says that if tryptophan is oxidized with H2O2 and cyclised with HCl, a psychedelic compound is created.
As Osmium mentioned in one of your other recent threads, "Psychedelic Chemistry" by M.V. Smith is not to be trusted; too many things that are nothing more than a pipe dream.
(Hive Bee)
08-05-01 11:09
No 201492
"Psychedelic Chemistry" by M.V. Smith is not to be trusted; too many things that are nothing more than a pipe dream."
Yes, I'm getting the impression that he's more full of shit than Uncle Fester, but one could always use his book to find the original references. One could always search through patents at http://gb.espacenet.com/. That's where I found that ephedrine --> phenylacetone synth. Peace!
I'm going to help all of you cleanse this diseased planet.
(Stranger)
08-10-01 03:16
No 202981
Unfortunatly there is a for of n,nDMT that does have a fine white salt like crystal structure.If some one were to reflux tryptamine in ethanol laden with sodium carbonate with methyl iodide,and the alkyl halide was present in a 5 to one molar ratio, after working up this batch you'll find that your left with n,n,n trimethyltryptamine iodide. I have yet to see any practical way of removing the extra methyl iodide that allows for the formation of this product. The only thing it seems to have is the same shitty taste but none of the buzz what so ever. This probleb can be over come though if ethyl iodide were to be used in place of methyl iodide. However something funky happens here.... you'll get alpha ethyl n,n diethyltryptamine. This compound is about 2/3 the power and potency of DET. I belive that all of this results do to the steric hinderance that occurs when a larger alkalating group is used. It would seem that there is no way around producing synthetic DMT with out using LiAlH4.... Does any one have any suggestions on how to proceed3e via tryptamine and avoid he use of indole? Jeasus christ does that horriable shit stink!!!!
yours in chemistry
Calamus
(Hive Addict)
08-10-01 04:38
No 202998
indole? Jeasus christ does that horriable shit stink!!!!
Not really, the pure material smells sort of nice; like naphthalene.
(Chief Bee)
08-10-01 05:28
No 203007
This probleb can be over come though if ethyl iodide were to be used in place of methyl iodide. However something funky happens here.... you'll get alpha ethyl n,n diethyltryptamine. This compound is about 2/3 the power and potency of DET.
Exactly what product did you say it was? And in what yield is it formed?
(Moderator)
08-10-01 05:31
No 203009
> ...you'll get alpha ethyl n,n diethyltryptamine.
No way. Depending on the molar ration used you get a mixture of primary, secondary, and tertiary tryptamine.
> This compound is about 2/3 the power and potency of DET
alpha-ethylation completely abolishes psychedelic activity (especially for tertiary amines).
N,N,N-trimethyltryptamines can be converted to dimethyltryptamines by reaction with LiAlH4 or ethanolamine. Or by distillation
(Stranger)
08-10-01 07:27
No 203052
Maybe tryptamine in excess of NaBH4 and formaldayde.... seen similar stuff in rhodium docs and synth books... someone here told me that yields would be low... but the chems are cheap and perhaps this could be adapted using ethyl, propyl, isopropyl aldehydes to get other stuff...... I need to take more chemistry courses!
ne1 know a good simulation program for the Mac?
(Hive Addict)
08-10-01 13:57
No 203118
Lili
Do you know of an actual reference to the ethanol amine decarboxylation?
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(Chief Bee)
08-10-01 14:16
No 203124
Decarboxylation? If it is anything, it is a demethylation of DMT methiodide to DMT. The reaction is mentioned in March's book.