Straight to BEE III - The Pickled P

tina_craig · Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:48 pm

Switc can vouch for that observation as well about the multiple passes. Second passes usually yields maybe a 1/20th of a gram, the first volume of Naptha extracts the majority.

Also, as far as yields:

KOH boiling with modified reagent amounts (4x KOH/2x alky with multiple additions of KOH): 70%

STB3 following WM/VE's latest modification(100mlBrine-1/2vol. Naptha): 80%

Both procedures have yielded ready to react PSE with nothing but white during basing of reaction fluid and at least 70% yields in a 2 hour P/P type reduction.

STB3 is by far the best to date and the most efficient.

loki · guinea pig

i thought i should relay this message that was scribbled on a sheet of paper which strangely flew into my backyard:

p2e3r4f5e6c7t8 · Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:57 am

Well well, Swip must say that this method works so far.
Swip followed instructions to double the brine salution with 1.800gms of avalible pse,
So far for swip everything has happend just as the write up sais, Now swip went and used *camp fuel* for his nonpolar and now has a jar plus colmens plus what looks like little splinters of glass, HHMMMMM.
From there swip is scared to do anymore incase he looses all the pse , But then again this is a dream test run, LOL.
Any other bee use *camp fuel* at all, and after collecting the free base crystals and cleaning them, Could it bee used in a rp/I2/E reaction ?????

Sektor · Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:39 pm

can swim use Toulene instead of Hexane?

Sektor · Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:37 am

or *camp fuel* instead of VMP Naptha? cheers

p2e3r4f5e6c7t8 · Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:07 am

no and yes

Sektor · Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:37 am

Note:
Do not substitute for VM&P Naphtha. Shellite, white gas, petroleum ether and lighter fluid are NOT VM&P naphtha. VM&P Naphtha is a combination of aliphatics, xylenes and ethyl benzene and has an unmistakable smell of naphtha (moth balls). Some Oz Bees have reported the same success with Shellite but since I cannot verify this, I cannot guarantee it will work.

^^^ can swim use *camp fuel* instead of VM&P Naptha?

loki · guinea pig

i have used it with shellite, works a treat

p2e3r4f5e6c7t8 · Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:18 am

swip has used *camp fuel* with no problems

Sektor · Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:48 am

sweeet, cheers p2e3r4f5e6c7t8, say... do you know u98chq0134 by chance? thanks again

p2e3r4f5e6c7t8 · Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:37 am

It is swip's plesure to help any fellow bee, Seeing as tho swip had a tone of help at THE HIVE when he first become interisted in this sort of hobby.
So now swip will try to repay the favor as best he can with dreamers.

Sektor · Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:30 am

swim has recently done this, problem:

the brine wash that was mixed and boiled with pill mass was green/bluey

lots of sedement in filtration(after many at that)

the stage where naptha(swim used *camp fuel*) is added to neutrilised solution and heated to simmer whilst adding base fluid, the bottom layer went really dark/caramel/orange, whilst there was little top layer left-so swim added xtra *camp fuel* and swirled then seperated, swim will report of what has become when the top layer has finished cooling(in freezer right now)

Sektor · Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:57 am

fuckin BOOYAH!, dunnit! success, false alarm on the problem post of above, this is a great method, strange though, apparently tripolidine hcl is meant to taint the pfed blue, swims was beutiful brilliant crystals(not blue) and if anything most of the shit was green up to the stage where swim added the *camp fuel*+basing and boil, then canted of top layer then froze, excellent!

loki · guinea pig

yeah swim saw it turn first to a rich orange then after that, more rapidly it went nearly black. two passes of half volume were extracted, the second amount of naptha was literally dumping crystals right in front of swim's eyes once separated.

swim was having a problem with the particular pills however. they are known to contain loratadine, which upon investigation seems to be a relatively insoluble bastard... and so the nature of a bright golden yellow contaminant is thus unknown. the pillstock is known to also contain rosin and vegetable oils... it is sticky and not water soluble whatever it is, and more soluble in naptha than pseudo.

perhaps a defat beforehand (either a soak of the dry powdered mass or a wash of the acidic brine solution) would do the trick? it really depends on whether the contaminant is alkaloid or oil/phenol/alcohol/whatever. it does seem to rinse out fairly well acetone. what is the solubility of pseudo fb in acetone?

Sektor · Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:50 pm

Filter the mixture through a Charmin plug in the bottom of a large funnel into the other boiling flask. All the collected liquid should bee crystal clear.

^ though swims collected liquid was not crystal clear at all... still worked though