PrimoPyro (Hive Prodigy)
01-31-02 22:38
No 263391
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I was wondering how available from chemical suppliers, these chemicals are:

2,5-dimethoxy-benzoic acid
3,4-methylenedioxy-benzoic acid
3,4,5-trimethoxy-benzoic acid

I just thought of something hilarious. In a certain mastermind plot, there is a possibility of a reaction designed for amphetamines, producing a byproduct that is easily transformed into a reagent for the same reaction, to yield the corresponding phenethylamine. laugh

What I mean is: X + B1 --> X Amphetamine + C
and C easily --> B2
for X + B2 --> X phenethylamine + K

Man that is hilarious.

So yea, how easy is it to buy these reagents? tongue

                                                    PrimoPyro
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    PrimoPyro
(Hive Prodigy)
02-01-02 00:24
No 263441
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And now I add, with the help Os gave me regarding alkylations, what about the unalkylated acids?

If the etherified acids are not available, are the polyphenolic acids suspicious?

                                                   PrimoPyro
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    halfapint
(Ubiquitous Precursor Medal Winner)
02-01-02 02:46
No 263484
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Do not buy 3,4,5-TMB. It is for sure watched, has been for many years.
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    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
02-01-02 08:50
No 263657
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3,4,5-trimethoxy-benzoic acid is an aricle of commerce, as is its unmethylated triphenol "gallic acid". 3,4-Methylenedioxybenzoic acid is most often called Piperonylic acid, and hundreds of suppliers can be found via Google. 2,5-dimethoxy-benzoic acid and its diphenol "gentisic acid" is more rarely occurring. 		 
 
 
 
    sYnThOmAtIc
(Hive Bee)
02-01-02 09:13
No 263681
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Hey rhodium, Can nitropropane be made into anything useful say with a p2 in there phenyl-2nitrop? 		 
 
 
 
    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
02-01-02 13:49
No 263757
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Yes, definitely. The reaction of a substituted benzaldehyde with 1-nitropropane forms a phenyl-2-nitrobutene, which is the immediate precursor to BDB, MBDB, Ariadne and all the compounds in Pihkal starting with 4C- something.

The methamphetamine analog (made from phenyl-2-nitrobutene) is 10x weaker than ordinary amphetamine, so the four-carbon side-chain is only interesting in the world of psychedelics and entactogens though.