07-19-02 20:06
No 334648
SWIM became extremley paranoid after readin a anothers failed dream due to bad sassy in the chemistry forum. So, swim went and did the drops in water. First drop fell, so to be sure swim did a capfull test. Most fell. SWIM would hate to be stacking up on all this oil and it be bunk. Any other ideas on how to test for actual product with out chems or glass, or is the water test good enough?
(Hive Bee)
07-19-02 20:12
No 334649
Never being a chemist, swim didnt think to wear gloves, and after which swim put some tobacco in his mouth and felt a burning sensation all over his mouth... And his tummy is upset as well. (not to mention the whole house smells like licorice) Dont know if this helps, but hope so! Ohh and I dipped a piece of plastic to get a drop for the water for the first drop, after 3-5 seconds the plastic became all gooey and sticky... yuck,... Also, with only one drop, the water did taste like licorice...
(Hive Bee)
07-19-02 21:31
No 334666
What synth are you planning to run without glassware?
(One Man Show)
07-19-02 21:52
No 334675
Get some glass, distill it, then do a bp test at normal atm.
"Have we descended to the level of dumb beasts?" Fear & Loathing
Be loved and blessed hp and cg!!
(Hive Bee)
07-19-02 21:56
No 334679
Don't fuck around get some glassware you're going to need it.
(Hive Bee)
07-19-02 22:26
No 334699
SWIM doesnt want to do any synths right now. SWIM just wants to stock up on oil for the next 2-3 years. (I know, why that much?) Because I assure you, like anything else, it will go away eventually. I am about statistics and probabilty. If its probable, good enough for me. So, I can only assume water is the only test without glass or chems one can do? (SWIM's chems are stored next state over, and glass that will be here within the week, same thing, no conspiracy fuck here) SWIM wants to really gain a knowledge of chemistry and procedure before anything is attmepted, and to be totally honest, swim may just sit on the oil for the next 5 or so years. (Patience is a virtue mind you) So I am not sitting on bunk oil, what are test I can do with out chems or glass to bring the probabilty up just a notch besides water. I mean, how many other oils sink? And boiling, well I heard there are other compounds that will boil at that temp. But if the only way is glass and chems, I will accept that as well. Thank ya fellow bee's.. And this may seem stupid, to stock up on this oil, but when the time is right, swim wont have to do anything but go next door, well next state anyway. Any ideas?
(Hive Bee)
07-19-02 22:42
No 334708
Stockpiling sassy is a bad idea. The object of the game is to play hot potato. Get the oil, run the rxns and get the product out the door before the door gets kicked in. An excellent way to get way more time added to your sentence is to have large quantities of precursor lying around. Look up “operation white horse” on a search engine.
I'm not sure if sassy will go off the market but the works of art provided to us in TS2 will keep us going for a long time after it goes off the market anyway. I think TS2 may have circumvented efforts to yank sassy off the market or regulate it. I think the DEA knows that we'll just add more steps in the manufacturing process and give them the middle finger.
(Hive Bee)
07-19-02 23:08
No 334728
Maybe I should also say SWIM doesnt sell anything. SWIM gives most of it away for the sake of a smile and good times. The rest is personal use. (Seriously, no joke, and yes swim is a bit of a hippie) Doesnt anyone else do this for the sake of fun and not money?
(Title on BackOrder)
07-19-02 23:12
No 334731
You're going to run the same risks of imprisonment whether you sell or not, so you might as well try to make a little money to finance your court fees with if you can. Besides, how much sassafras oil could you possibly need if you're going to give it all away?
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Hive Bee)
07-19-02 23:34
No 334749
to bee honest, SWIM would feel comfortable with maybe, 5-10 gallons. Not much. Just enough to get through the majority of swims life. And everyone seems to think imprisonment is guarenteed, and almost unavoidable. SWIM has grown mushrooms in the open in the US for many many years. SWIM has ordered all kinds of shit from scientific supply and what not. I couldnt imagine it being a sure death for chemists.. Maybe, because I am speaking out of ignorance, as I havent performed an iota of chemistry.
(Title on BackOrder)
07-20-02 00:02
No 334769
there is a huge stigma surrounding chemical drug manufacturing in the US. there is a huge difference between the closet marijuana cultivator, the mushroom terrarium, and a home meth or exstacy lab.
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Hive Bee)
07-20-02 00:05
No 334772
(Title on BackOrder)
07-20-02 01:08
No 334801
Fully_Auto, I hope you realize those effects only come from exstacy the first few times you take it. After your brain gets adjusted to it, you will be able to hate people normally when you're rolling. I always found the empalthy to be a weakness of MDMA. Sure, it makes it a great psychotherapy tool, but it gives people a false feeling of that is the way things should be normally. In reality, you need to be able to determine who your friends are and, more importantly, who your enemies are. X can cloud your vision on this.
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Can't SWIM)
07-20-02 01:28
No 334814
Joe, I didn't even get any real empathic feeling the first
time I did some. I got high as hell, but didn't feel
that at all.
I think when you're young, you're basically selfish to
a degree, and some of these feelings are intensified
because they are being felt for the first time.
CG I miss you sweety, I really do.
(Title on BackOrder)
07-20-02 01:33
No 334815
I've only experienced that empalthetic feeling when rolling the first couple of times with people I knew not to turn my back on. I felt like the roll was making me let my guard down to people I had learned from past experiences that couldn't be completely trusted. I don't think it has anything to do with selfishness, as older people tend to be more battle worn and selfish than younger people are. I feel Corporate America is mainly responsible.
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Hive Bee)
07-20-02 05:32
No 334907
The feelings of empathy are the main reason I roll. It makes me feel human again. The last time I rolled was 10 months ago it hit me as hard as my first pill. I can't explain it. My friends piss and moan about how the effects are less pronounced, meanwhile it still hits me like a freight train every time. Maybe it's because I show less emotion in my day-to-day life.
RE: I felt like the roll was making me let my guard down to people I had learned from past experiences that couldn't be completely trusted.
I don't chill with people I don't trust. They’re either a friend or an enemy there's no middle ground. If I don't like someone they know it and if they’re smart they stay away from me.
(Newbee)
07-20-02 06:58
No 334931
I feel the same way you do Fully_Auto. The empathy in rolling..the love you give to people...the purely unadulterated emotions--Those are the only reasons why I roll...especially in moderation. I too dont show much emotion in my day to day life.
I try to space out my rolls over at least 2-3months and post and pre-load with 5htp and vitamins to enhance my roll.
I believe if you space out your rolls long enough you will get that feeling everytime :)
Clouds come and go and never stay still........
(Hive Bee)
07-20-02 08:27
No 334956
Were a rare bunch.
I usually only consume one pill. I've eaten 2 in one night on two separate occasions. I think other people over do it. I've seen people eat 6 pills in one night. I think they just burn up the happy cells too quickly.
I say cherish it while it lasts
.
(Hive Addict)
07-20-02 09:01
No 334966
I can now agree that more than 2 is a waste. I think it is impulsive to try to keep feeling so good, by taking another pill. I think I've taken 15 in a day before. It was just the immature mind trying to keep the high going. Same way with cocaine. After the first one or two times, the feeling is gone and it is a waste to try to keep it going. But you just do, in hope.
there's a big difference between criticizing your government and criticizing your country
(Hive Bee)
07-20-02 09:44
No 334979
I think I've taken 15 in a day before
Fuck chill out. Your brain is gona go on strike
.After the first one or two times, the feeling is gone and it is a waste to try to keep it going. But you just do, in hope.
That's the frustrating part I see my friends at the party and they just keep eating more and more. I try to tell them not to over do it and they don't listen. They wind up getting sick (the girls). I tell people if "I see you eat more than two in one night you have to go somewhere else from now on. I won't help you". I don't understand why people can't just enjoy it while it lasts and let the feeling go.
(Newbee)
07-20-02 10:30
No 334986
Ya, i agree 2 pills is enough to get REALLY high, any more is just a waste. Think about it MDMA is a drug that releases seratonin(sp?) in your brain. There is only so much seretonin in your brain so eating anymore pills once all your seratonin is depleted...its just a waste.
Anyway now we are getting a little off topic from this thread concerning "sassafras oil"
Clouds come and go and never stay still........
(Hive Bee)
07-20-02 11:30
No 335003
We've made this into a mini couch. I guess the god of the acquisition forum is shining down on us.
(Hive Addict)
07-20-02 16:35
No 335062
I don't see any problem of stocking up on sassafras. The people with a pound of rP aren't complaining now. I doubt the people with 10 gallons of sassafras oil will be complaining next year.
there's a big difference between criticizing your government and criticizing your country
(Distinctive Doe)
07-20-02 18:27
No 335088
goiter said
I've only experienced that empalthetic feeling when rolling the first couple of times with people I knew not to turn my back on. I felt like the roll was making me let my guard down to people I had learned from past experiences that couldn't be completely trusted. I don't think it has anything to do with selfishness, as older people tend to be more battle worn and selfish than younger people are. I feel Corporate America is mainly responsible.
goiter
Why do you hang around with people like that?
It basically is saying that you believe you deserve to bee treated like shit. This may not bee apparent to you, but you may realize where such feelings stem from. We are not our feelings, feelings are just built in reactions from past experiences, we experience our feelings they don't control us. It is possible to change and overcome negative emotional baggage from our pasts.
I think you really need to get into your mind and figure out where your different feelings come from.
This belief
as older people tend to be more battle worn and selfish than younger people are.
Tells me alot about your past and the experiences you had. It saddens my heart to see someone belive that this is how it is, because these kind of beliefs usually become reflected back at us and become us, IF we maintain them. My experience has been the opposite, as people age they become less selfish and more understanding.
foxy
Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
(Title on BackOrder)
07-20-02 19:11
No 335105
and that is what I will use to keep me from getting burned in life. Back in my stoner days, I actually believed that most people were generally good natured and valued friendship. It doesn't take long to realize that the vast majority of people you will ever meet are only out there to satisfy their own desires and really don't give a shit about anyone else. If I only hanged out around my true friends, I wouldn't ever see over 2 people at a time. The problem being is the college atmosphere I live in tends to invite over plenty of unfriendlies to where people are hanging out. I'm not going to just up and leave because some backstabber just walked in the room; I have just as much of a right, if not more, to be there as they do.
Yes, I've been burned a few times. Yes, I've taken more than my fair share of beatings growing up. The way I see it, everyone takes being burned or beating at some point in their life. We can't prevent it, we can only make sure we know who it is on the giving end.
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Hive Bee)
07-20-02 22:42
No 335167
Who definately isn't me...
Who hooked up with a job...
Who like Hood He'd Rob
Big Pharma of its thunder...
In the Melee
Who Still isn't me...
Got Drums of Sass for his trouble...
Cause down in heart
He Knew from the start
That 90% Safrol could be used by his double.
Robbers Play
this game of corp
with greed and distain for all
This Bee Feels
That along with product thats real
Game a corp can be played for the good of all
Diversion? What diversion? To who? To where? What were we talking about again?
(I'm not Cheesie)
07-20-02 22:56
No 335174
Another test you can do for safrol content in your oil is to try freezing it. The safrol will solidify into a light yellow chunk at -14 °.
It sounds to me like you've got the right shit as safrol will melt plastic , like your spoon, you probably have high safrol content. lucky, stocking up is a good idea, but we will always be able to me MDMA so it doesn't really matter. They'll NEVER make Sassafras Root bark illegal.
Bubba Fatt - LA's Biggest Bounty Hunter. His subjects are at large and so is HE!
(Hive Addict)
07-20-02 23:39
No 335196
yeah, but at $25-$50 a pound, it may as well bee when you figure how little oil can bee extracted from that percentage-wise (of course this only applies to bee's who are unfortunate enough not to live next to where it grows
)i FEEL funny.
(Hive Bee)
07-21-02 01:15
No 335244
RE: and that is what I will use to keep me from getting burned in life. Back in my stoner days, I actually believed that most people were generally good natured and valued friendship. It doesn't take long to realize that the vast majority of people you will ever meet are only out there to satisfy their own desires and really don't give a shit about anyone else.
That’s true there are a lot of assholes out there. Avoid them.
RE: If I only hanged out around my true friends, I wouldn't ever see over 2 people at a time.
That number of real friends I have has been whittled down over the years. I’ve only got a few real true friends. Maybe 7 or 8 people I trust with my life. Everyone else is more or less just someone I chill with.
RE: The problem being is the college atmosphere I live in tends to invite over plenty of unfriendlies to where people are hanging out.
I’d don’t exactly know what your stance on violence is but I vent my aggression on people who have wronged me. They stay away from me because they know I’m willing to do what they wont. They fear me because I blow things way out of proportion and I’m willing to take it all the way. It’s a form of checks and balances for me. I’ve very kind to my friends and people I like but if I’m even remotely near someone I don’t like I become a different person I start grinding my teeth. I just lose it.
RE: I'm not going to just up and leave because some backstabber just walked in the room; I have just as much of a right, if not more, to be there as they do.
You do have the right to stay. They screwed you. They should be worried about coming near you. Don’t just sit there. Put them in a hurt locker.
RE: Yes, I've been burned a few times. Yes, I've taken more than my fair share of beatings growing up. The way I see it, everyone takes being burned or beating at some point in their life.
I know I did. I’ve been jumped. I’ve been stabbed. I’ve had more guns pulled out on me than I can count. I survived and they got theirs.
RE: The way I see it, everyone takes being burned or beating at some point in their life. We can't prevent it, we can only make sure we know who it is on the giving end.
Not true. It’s all about turning the tables. Don’t let people shit on you. It’s not about how big you are it’s what you’re willing to do. How far you’re willing to take it. When people recognize that’s your state of mind they wont fuck with you. Trust me.
RE: stocking up is a good idea
Read about operation white horse then say that. Hot potato and clean galss is the way to go. Look at it like this, are you more screwed if you have a set of glassware or are you more screwed if you have glassware and a carboy of sassy?
RE: but we will always be able to me MDMA so it doesn't really matter. They'll NEVER make Sassafras Root bark illegal.
I don’t know about never. They might regulate it. However, if you look at it from a logistical standpoint. It’s the quickest easiest way for use to get what we want. If they shut off the flow were going to find a million new ways to make safrole. We’ve already got dozens of methods and it’s not even off the market. That’s a million new pieces of paperwork, a million new protocols, and lots more work for them. Not to mention the public out cry. I don’t see how they ever plan to succeed. The research is always going to go faster than the legislation. All in all, they’re asked out.
******Edit********
Everything you ever wanted to know about the marketing of sassafras.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/V5350E/V5350e0
(To Be Banned At Sundown)
07-21-02 01:15
No 335245
sassy isn't the only source of safrole..There will always
bee a way..
Weedar
Weedar contains 2,4-D dimethylamine salt,apparently
(Hive Bee)
07-21-02 06:31
No 335367
Yea personally I'd start stocking up on catechol and eugenol in mass quantities. As they are easily enough made into safrole or piperonal just kinna tedious and low yielding. Then there is always benzodioxal which can be bought from specialty companies for a few bucks a kg which can be made into iso, safrole, piperonal and something else i'm leaving out. though benzo can also be made from the catechol which is less suspicous but more expensive. It woudl be wise for everybee to start finding alternatives to sassy. The sooner te better.
(Title on BackOrder)
07-21-02 11:32
No 335429
Did P2P dissapear when it became illegal? hell no, it just became a lot more expensive on the black market. Do you think the big labs in eastern europe are starting from safrole? No, they're buying MDP2P wholesale from chemical suppliers, even though it is illegal in almost every country. The same thing will happen in the US gets pulled off the market. There will be plenty of Ozark Mountain boys and Appalachian hillbillies that will realize they can take that liquor still down by the creek and rearrange it ever so slightly to distill oil. But instead of the $20 a gallon they are getting paid for white lightning, they can produce sassafras oil and sell it for $2000 a gallon. They'll make a killing off of it, and the person they're selling it to will also make a killing off of it. I've had serious thoughts about setting up a still myself and selling the oil instead of working it up. It would be a lot less hassle with what you are dealing with and the number of people you are dealing with.
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Hive Bee)
07-21-02 22:26
No 335536
When in the course of human events...
It becomes necessary to dissolve the prisons of conscienceness.
When Governments Place Profits ahead of Spirituality, The Common Good or Even CommonSense.
When Bad Central Nervous System Stims and Fermented Carbs rule the land.
The People must be free...
Its Fucking ON NOW.
History will record this moment.
Fear A Government That Prosecutes DANCING..
That a dabble, a raver and prophet and a priest
Became more.
Fear a government that prosecutes plants.
None of this is random or just carprious.
Their is an evil stench here that billows all the way from ROME.
History will judge us..even those who are mere PROFITEERS.
As Warriors, Prophets and Seers...
The ones who USHERED in the Light...
The first photons from a new dawn.
Exstacy Prohibition isn't about a couple of deaths people.
Your Government doesn't give a GOOD GOD DAMN about your health.
They don't want you to see the LIGHT.
"Make A Joyful Noise All Yes Lands"
"It is HIM that has made us and not we are selves"
Diversion? What diversion? To who? To where? What were we talking about again?
(Hive Bee)
07-21-02 22:29
No 335539
I don't know how much my fellow bees pay for sassafras but this person who shall remain nameless has seen it OTC for about $25 a pound.
When you buy bulk (from the right vendor) sassy oil is dirt cheap. Under $3.00 a pound. Suppliers like that do exist. I can't understand why people pay the butt rape prices found online. Sassy will remain that cheap for the right people. Even if it does become regulated.
(Title on BackOrder)
07-22-02 00:51
No 335565
I wouldn't call $25 a pint cheap, but there's no way in hell you will find it for that price when it becomes banned in the US. it is already somewhat regulated in the same manner RP used to be. They don't restrict it, they just watch who purchases it and bust them.
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Hive Bee)
07-22-02 08:25
No 335684
I believe he said a pound not pint which is pretty cheap for todays prices.
Yea, well check out chemindustry and look for asian sources for heliotropin, safrole, sassafras oil, or just look at the flavoring and perfume industries in the asian areas. A friend inquired about their safrole 99% garunteed and sassy oil 90%safrole by wahtever analysis they use at 4/kg and $1.80/kg. Now if he can't find a country where pure safrole is legal he will have to resort to getting sassy sent to germany or something.
--edit
Of course there are better ways than synthing safrole but how many people that can't find sassy do you think could pull off somthing like that???? Not a one! So they are stuck using pepper, nutmeg and camphor. Personally I'd rather synth safrole than extract safrole from root bark, ground nutmeg or fucking pepper. Though untill it is legal to do here which I doubt ever will that will have to remain low in priority til I find the perfect country.
(Hive Bee)
07-23-02 22:10
No 336202
Comprehension isn't your strong point is it? I was referring to 3.00 a pound as being cheap.
RE: there's no way in hell you will find it for that price when it becomes banned in the US.
Incorrect. You make a lot of false assumptions don't you?
(Newbee)
07-24-02 08:36
No 336413
After a several hour search on the other FSE Swic's confounded as to pricing of sass oil.Everything from 1/4 oz. for $12 to 1kg. for $130 and the price drop seems to come at 4oz.prices still seem to vary widely for bulk though,so it seems if Swic wants to stay off any lists he's gotta take it up the ass on 4oz. quantaties at a time.The only decent deal's Swic has found for small-medium quantities noid him out,as do any deals for quantaties above 8oz.Swic is allready freakin because before he knew jack shit(probably still doesn't
)he ordered 32oz. sass oil online to his home address
.Swic is trippin on this and has been preparing his home for a visit
although he's kinda a slob so if they look hard enough I'm sure they'll find something to fuck with him.Ahhh regrets and hindsight allways so pointed
.Bee's don't die,we just multiply.
(Hive Addict)
07-24-02 08:49
No 336418
well then...get your ass off the computer, and get cleaning NOW!!! If you still have that feeling like they MIGHT find something, you havent cleaned well enough.
scoot-
That messy place you live in, if its filled with notes, baggies, parafinelia...whatever, just imagine you KNOW they are coming tommarow morning. Go through any/all old notebooks, page by page. Have two garbage bags sitting in front of you, one to go in your trash (nothing incriminating) and one for stuff you dont want them finding in your trash. When you find 'bad' notes, throw them in the bad bag- unless you find any phone numbers, companies, names etc... With these papers, bee sure to first rip out any personal info, throw the rest of the 'bad' note into the bad bag- then take the name/number/adress and rip it into several peices. Every other peice goes into the home bag, every other peice goes into the bad bag. A little anal, I know. Even better, burn all the bad notes. Dont put that shit off, imagine how hard you would bee kicking yourself in the ass rotting in some cell, just cause you where too LAZY to scour your place. Do it! Do it right NOW. They very well may never come to your door. Fact is, you dont know, clean your house and develop better (new) habbits. Nothing but for personal use in the homestead. No glass in the homestead, specially if you got that computer sitting there thats loaded with incriminating evidence. Get rid of the sass, bury it if need bee- just OUT of the freakin house. If they ask what happened to it, you accidentally dropped it and it spilled all over the place, so ya threw it out at the dumpster at the end of your street 'cause your garbage can was full. -whatever. Figure out what the worst possible scenario is, and plan to counteract it. Theres product, precursors, equiptment and plans/notes. Swiy shouldnt be found with any more than one of these in his home, or he just might bee going bye-bye. Your computer can bee counted as plans/notes that means everythings got to go.
Please, take your freedom seriously!
i FEEL funny.
(Newbee)
07-24-02 09:37
No 336449
GOD,thanks for a reply.Swic thinks that beesides a little personal use weed and mabey a lost container of QB's that all he has left is glassware(alot),sass oil and some basic chem's(HCl,H2SO4,various solvents).All rxn reagents such as sodium nitrite,nitromethane,hg and any other dead giveaway's have been moved to a trusted friends.Does glassware and sass oil alone constitute conspiracy?I had a friend order bolth the glassware and sassy under his name,glassware sent to his house,sassy to mine.Could he possibly be charged with anything simply for ordering them? Even though he no longer has possesion and didn't know or care what Swic was gonna do with the stuff.Thanks again god,too bad all those mushroom tips you gave me couldn't bee put to use for me(couldn't stand the added heat of tryin to sell the things w/out anyone knowing Swic grew the fuckers,didn't work people guessed from stupid comments made before he was involved in anything too illegal)but you'll bee happy to know I tought a friend and gave him my setup(to be paid for later)and he's doin pretty good for a first go at it
.peaceBee's don't die,we just multiply.
(Stoni's sexual toy)
07-24-02 12:46
No 336514
UTFSE and use some common sense.
Every question you asked has been asked and answered a hundred times before.
Short version: they can bust you for pretty much anything they want, and it will be up to you to get out of this mess.
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.
(Newbee)
07-24-02 21:09
No 336623
Sure,thanks Os.Swic runs low on common sense now and again.And your absolutley right everything was to be found on TFSE Swic was just looking in the wrong forum as he's completely computer illiterate.
Swic sucks with TFSE.Swic loves chemistry not computers,sorry ya old grump.peace,chamberedBee's don't die,we just multiply.
(Title on BackOrder)
07-25-02 00:56
No 336708
Cause you damn sure don't seem to understand anything about economics. Supply and demand. bulk supply of Sassafras oil is cheap now, and demand is high, so suppliers will sell cheap oil. When it becomes restricted, and very soon at that, the supply will go away, demand will still be there, and the risks involved in supplying oil will make it expensive as hell. Now since you don't cook and don't understand the situation, you can claim this assumption is false. Anyone that's been in the game for a few years has watched the price of oil triple. I don't think national inflation has gotten that bad, as most things seem to be deflating as of lately. Sassafras oil is going to become expensive when it become impossible to acquire legally. Don't argue it, prepare for it.
And to the person that corrected me; "A pint's a pound the world around." In the case of sassafras oil, a pint's a few grams more than a pound, but close enough considering the essential oil dealer is pouring it wholesale from a 20kg pail into dark brown 8 and 16 oz. bottles.
All paths are the same: they lead nowhere
(Hive Addict)
07-25-02 01:20
No 336713
Finally someone caught it! I know dude, sorry. I was fucking with you. But most important I was seeing if anyone would jump on the train and agree with me... hehe I caught me one I think. I don't think comprehension is his strong point I believe the guy said. Ohwell everyone makes mistakes. Its amazing what you can get somoen to say without them giving it a thought to whether its fact or not! Ok I'll quit doing shit like that. lataYes, That pic really is me!
07-25-02 12:00
(Rated as: hazardous)