<a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=452719&page=29&view=&sort=5&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">overhead stirrer w/out gas-tight adapter</a> (Rated as: UTFSE!) </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=452719&Number=452719&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" 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Place the stirrer shaft down through the reflux condenser <hr>Democracy is the name we give the people, whenever we need them. <a href="http://www.iraqometer.com/" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.iraqometer.com/</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post452872"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="1"> </td> <td rowspan="1"> </td> <td 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href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=452879&Number=452879&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> Download Vogel's 3d edition from: <a href="../rhodium /vogel3.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">../rhodium /vogel3.html</a> Then look on pages 68-9 for a description of the construction a Kyrides stirrer, which is even usable down to 10 mm of vacuum <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="Smile" heigth="15" width="15"> There's a design with pictures on Rhodium's page, at: <a href="../rhodium /equipment/overhead.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">../rhodium /equipment/overhead.html</a> and additionally there are many posts here and more files there such as <a href="../DUMMY">Post 249543</a> (lugh: "Re: Homemade Stirrer", Chemicals & Equipment) & <a href="../DUMMY">Post 265165</a> (lugh: "Stirrer Construction", Chemicals & Equipment) that may bee helpful if you are willing to <img src="../picproxie_docs/000452719-utfse.gif" target="_blank"> <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="Wink" heigth="15" width="15"> <hr>Chemistry is our Covalent Bond </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post453177"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> Rhodium (Chief Bee) 08-12-03 14:39 No 453177 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> obviously inappropriate/incompatible equipment </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=453177&Number=453177&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> my stirrer shaft is not long enough to accomodate that (it's 45 cm, and this is for a 3-necked 12L RBF). the stirrer pretty much has to be in the center neck (due to stirrer paddle being for a 12L RBF) and the condenser is on one of the side necks. You obviously have inappropriate/incompatible equipment and should do some shopping, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel. Such a mentality usually leads to reaction failures and/or glassware breakage. </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post453336"></a><a name="last"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> L_jamf (Stranger) 08-13-03 08:15 No 453336 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> thx for the input, y'all, but swim has ... </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=453336&Number=453336&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> thx for the input, y'all, but swim has succeeded with the stirrer (for now), despite the poorly chosen equipment. the improvised stirrer in <a href="../rhodium /equipment/overhead.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">../rhodium /equipment/overhead.html</a> provided me w/ some inspiration (thx lugh) that got me through the stirring i needed to do. on a more novel note, due to swim's friend not taking into consideration that the stirrer should be made of PTFE or glass (conc. HCl + stainless steel + hrs. of reflux -> corrosion), the stirrer paddle broke free during the reflux. swim suspected this would happen, and has decided to continue the reflux (w/out stirrer) to completion to see what comes out. swim has only another 14 hrs. to completion <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/tongue.gif" alt="tongue" title="Tongue" heigth="15" width="15"> (yawn!). hopefully the clemmenson (spelling?) reduction will come out dandy (not in the British sense) irrespective of the stirring, but swim will try to UTFSE to determine that. big money, no whammies, stop! L-j <hr>internal, eternal, exothermal, infernal burning, the present </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> </body> </html>

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		L_jamf 08-09-03 22:48				<a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=452719&page=29&view=&sort=5&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">overhead stirrer w/out gas-tight adapter</a> <br> <i title="This post has been downrated by the moderators">(Rated as: UTFSE!)</i> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=452719&Number=452719&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post452859"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> abolt<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Addict</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">08-10-03 18:33</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [452859]">No 452859</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">Place the stirrer shaft down through the ...</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=452859&Number=452859&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> Place the stirrer shaft down through the reflux condenser <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>Democracy is the name we give the people, whenever we need them.<br><a href="http://www.iraqometer.com/" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.iraqometer.com/</a></span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td 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</tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> <font color="#ff0000">lugh</font><br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Moderator</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">08-10-03 19:21</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [452879]">No 452879</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">Kyrides Stirrer</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=452879&Number=452879&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> Download Vogel's 3d edition from:<br><a href="../rhodium /vogel3.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">../rhodium /vogel3.<wbr>html</a><br>Then look on pages 68-9 for a description of the construction a Kyrides stirrer, which is even usable down to 10 mm of vacuum <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="Smile" heigth="15" width="15"> There's a design with pictures on Rhodium's page, at:<br><a href="../rhodium /equipment/overhead.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">../rhodium /equipme<wbr>nt/overh<wbr>ead.html<wbr></a> and <br>additionally there are many posts here and more files there such as <span title="Jump to this post"><a href="../DUMMY">Post 249543</a> <i>(lugh: "Re: Homemade Stirrer", Chemicals & Equipment)</i></span> & <span title="Jump to this post"><a href="../DUMMY">Post 265165</a> <i>(lugh: "Stirrer Construction", Chemicals & Equipment)</i></span> that may bee helpful if you are willing to <br><img src="../picproxie_docs/000452719-utfse.gif" target="_blank"><br><img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="Wink" heigth="15" width="15"> <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>Chemistry is our Covalent Bond</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post453177"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> <font color="#FF0033">Rhodium</font><br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Chief Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">08-12-03 14:39</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [453177]">No 453177</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">obviously inappropriate/incompatible equipment</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=453177&Number=453177&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> <font color="blue">my stirrer shaft is not long enough to accomodate that (it's 45 cm, and this is for a 3-necked 12L RBF). the stirrer pretty much has to be in the center neck (due to stirrer paddle being for a 12L RBF) and the condenser is on one of the side necks.</font color="blue"><br><br>You obviously have inappropriate/incompatible equipment and should do some shopping, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel. Such a mentality usually leads to reaction failures and/or glassware breakage. </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post453336"></a><a name="last"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> L_jamf<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Stranger</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">08-13-03 08:15</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [453336]">No 453336</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">thx for the input, y'all, but swim has ...</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=453336&Number=453336&page=29&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> thx for the input, y'all, but swim has succeeded with the stirrer (for now), despite the poorly chosen equipment. the improvised stirrer in<br><br><a href="../rhodium /equipment/overhead.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">../rhodium /equipme<wbr>nt/overh<wbr>ead.html<wbr></a><br><br>provided me w/ some inspiration (thx lugh) that got me through the stirring i needed to do.<br><br>on a more novel note, due to swim's friend not taking into consideration that the stirrer should be made of PTFE or glass (conc. HCl + stainless steel + hrs. of reflux -> corrosion), the stirrer paddle broke free during the reflux. swim suspected this would happen, and has decided to continue the reflux (w/out stirrer) to completion to see what comes out. swim has only another 14 hrs. to completion <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/tongue.gif" alt="tongue" title="Tongue" heigth="15" width="15"> (yawn!).<br><br>hopefully the clemmenson (spelling?) reduction will come out dandy (not in the British sense) irrespective of the stirring, but swim will try to UTFSE to determine that.<br><br>big money, no whammies, stop!<br>L-j <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>internal, eternal, exothermal, infernal burning, the present</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> </body> </html>