<a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=500258&page=9&view=&sb=&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">limonene as np solvent?</a> (Rated as: redundant) </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500263"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> sYnThOmAtIc (Stranger) 04-12-04 01:45 No 500263 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> Redundant </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> Umm, forget about the search engine? <a href="../DUMMY">Post 174723</a> (sYnThOmAtIc: "!d-Limonene!", Chemicals & Equipment) </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500266"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> Rhodium (Chief Bee) 04-12-04 02:02 No 500266 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> Depends on your intended usage </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <a href="../DUMMY">Post 443189</a> (Rhodium: "Limonene / Turpentine / Pinene", Stimulants) <a href="../acquisition/000479880.html#Post479893">Post 479893</a> (Rhodium: "Not good", Chemicals & Equipment) The double bonds in limonene may react with acids/bases and your product, depending on the conditions used. <hr>The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500279"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice (Hive Bee) 04-12-04 02:44 No 500279 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> plant oil ethers: 1,8 cineole </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> I also noticed there's a commonly available (at least in the antipodes) plant oil, an ether, called eucalyptol the major component of eucalyptus oil (it's also called 1,8 cineole). This one caught my eye because of it's state transition temperatures, mp 1-2°C bp 90-91°C. It is also completely saturated. I wish i'd spotted this one first before posting about limonene again... rats I think my money is on this oil as a viable alternative natural solvent. It would even be servicable for evaporating freebases directly, some oiling out would occur but that's a small price to pay considering how safe this solvent is Rhodium: the purposes i had in mind were mostly about extracting alkaloids from plants. here's some interesting info: Oil of Eucalyptus 80/85 Eucalyptus globulous China. High natural eucalyptol content. Used commercially in muscle rubs and decongetion aids. Repels insect pests. Antiseptic. [b]Good solvent for removing adhesives.[b] (my emphasis) eucalyptus oil can be had for around 20/L in quantities 1L or more and the oil is 80% eucalyptol, which boils at about 90-91 degrees. I can't see any reason why it would fail as a substitute for xylene, naptha or toluene in acid/base extractions. just a little, maybe silly idea - what about if one distilled limonene and hydrogenated it... then it would become p-methyl isopropyl cyclohexane (to be precise: cis-1-Methyl-4-isopropylcyclohexane [6069-98-3] Synonyms: CIS-1-ISOPROPYL-4-METHYLCYCLOHEXANE; cis-1-Methyl-4-isopropylcyclohexane; ) ooh it has a geometric isomer too... I can't get any phase change data on it or anything much at all. One would assume it would be vaguely similar to a cyclohexane but heavier. Probably not economic, but might be a way to make use of limonene. heh i bet one can turn limonene into cineole too considering the locatin of both of those unsaturated carbon bonds, if there's some way to oxidise it to the ether. plant oils will yet replace synthetics dammit! </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500281"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice (Hive Bee) 04-12-04 02:49 No 500281 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> ether substitute </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> just thinking while chatting to a friend in irc and he said 'what about substituting it for ether' and i thought 'well... it is an ether...' should be possible to use in place of ether in at least some reactions </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500307"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice (Hive Bee) 04-12-04 07:18 No 500307 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> conflicting msds data </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> grrr here's what i've found for phase change data of 1,8 cineole (CAS 470-82-6): <a href="http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1056361.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1056361.html</a> Melting Point : 1.00 - 2.00 °C. @ 760.00 mm Boiling Point : 176.00 - 177.00 °C. @ 760.00 mm Boiling Point : 90.00 - 91.00 °C. @ 760.00 mm confusing? chemfinder returns this info: mp 35.6 (presumably at 760mm) bp 351 at 0 mm oh really? let's see if we can find another different result <a href="http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/specialtychem/perchem/OIL%20OF%20EUCALYPTUS.htm" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/specialtychem/perchem/OIL%20OF%20EUCALYPTUS.htm</a> MELTING POINT BOILING POINT 175 C AAAAAAAAAHHHH! eureka! Here we are! this is the gold i've been prospecting for. This document shows that 1,8 cineole has great potential as a solvent, and some solid physical properties data - liquid phase from 0 to 176, steam distillable, cineol is relatively unreactive and appears to be functionally similar to a most other aliphatic hydrocarbons (looking at it's polymer solvation activity). I think we have a winner for a generally useful substitute for xylene that is also very benign biologically and environmentally. <a href="http://www.oilmallee.com.au/docs/BARTON.doc" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.oilmallee.com.au/docs/BARTON.doc</a> Industrial Uses of Eucalyptus Oil A/Prof Allan Barton Division of Science and Engineering - Chemistry, Murdoch University, Murdoch 6150. Email barton@chem.murdoch.edu.au. Tel (08) 9360 2132 Fax (08) 9310 1711 Summary The large-scale planting of Eucalyptus oil mallees to rehabilitate water-logged and salt-affected agricultural land will permit the use of high-cineole leaf oils to replace environmentally unacceptable industrial solvents such as the ozone-depleting trichloroethane. At the same time this process will provide a renewable fuel biomass and a carbon sequestration mechanism. .... space limitations prevent me putting more, but there it is. </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500366"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> foxy2 (Fragile ego) 04-12-04 18:05 No 500366 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> I can't see any reason why it would fail as a... </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> I can't see any reason why it would fail as a substitute for xylene, naptha or toluene in acid/base extractions. Maybee for this reason --> 20/L <hr><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.democracynow.org/</a> - The Exception to the Rulers </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500415"></a><a name="last"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice (Hive Bee) 04-12-04 23:17 No 500415 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> $20/L </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> Well, the cost is high, but I think there's probably good reason to suspect it will go down in price as it becomes more adopted, already blends of limonene and cineole are being sold as degreasers. Australia has plenty of land that is arable enough for oil mallee to be grown on it... Also, if anybee has bought xylene in a 1L container they probably paid near or over $20 for it, certainly that's what they charge around here for it. so for small quantities, no big deal. And remember you aren't going to cause yourself brain damage or respiratory problems using it... </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> </body> </html>

limonene as np solvent? , Hive Chemicals & Equipment


		elfspice 04-12-04 01:03				<a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=500258&page=9&view=&sb=&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">limonene as np solvent?</a> <br> <i title="This post has been downrated by the moderators">(Rated as: redundant)</i> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500263"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> sYnThOmAtIc<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Stranger</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-12-04 01:45</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [500263]">No 500263</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">Redundant</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> Umm, forget about the search engine?<br><br><span title="Jump to this post"><a href="../DUMMY">Post 174723</a> <i>(sYnThOmAtIc: "!d-Limonene!", Chemicals & Equipment)</i></span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500266"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> <font color="#FF0033">Rhodium</font><br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Chief Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-12-04 02:02</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [500266]">No 500266</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">Depends on your intended usage</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> <span title="Jump to this post"><a href="../DUMMY">Post 443189</a> <i>(Rhodium: "Limonene / Turpentine / Pinene", Stimulants)</i></span><br><span title="Jump to this post"><a href="../acquisition/000479880.html#Post479893">Post 479893</a> <i>(Rhodium: "Not good", Chemicals & Equipment)</i></span><br><br>The double bonds in limonene may react with acids/bases and your product, depending on the conditions used. <br> <span title="The signature"><hr><sup>The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders</sup></span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500279"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-12-04 02:44</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [500279]">No 500279</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">plant oil ethers: 1,8 cineole</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> I also noticed there's a commonly available (at least in the antipodes) plant oil, an ether, called eucalyptol the major component of eucalyptus oil (it's also called 1,8 cineole). This one caught my eye because of it's state transition temperatures, mp 1-2°C bp 90-91°C. It is also completely saturated.<br><br>I wish i'd spotted this one first before posting about limonene again... rats<br><br>I think my money is on this oil as a viable alternative natural solvent. It would even be servicable for evaporating freebases directly, some oiling out would occur but that's a small price to pay considering how safe this solvent is<br><br>Rhodium: the purposes i had in mind were mostly about extracting alkaloids from plants.<br><br><br>here's some interesting info:<br><br>Oil of Eucalyptus 80/85 Eucalyptus globulous China. High natural eucalyptol content. Used commercially in muscle rubs and decongetion aids. Repels insect pests. Antiseptic. [b]Good solvent for removing adhesives.[b]<br><br>(my emphasis)<br><br>eucalyptus oil can be had for around 20/L in quantities 1L or more and the oil is 80% eucalyptol, which boils at about 90-91 degrees. <br><br>I can't see any reason why it would fail as a substitute for xylene, naptha or toluene in acid/base extractions.<br><br><br>just a little, maybe silly idea - what about if one distilled limonene and hydrogenated it... then it would become p-methyl isopropyl cyclohexane (to be precise: cis-1-Methyl-4-isopropylcyclohexane <wbr> [6069-98-3]<br>Synonyms: CIS-1-ISOPROPYL-4-METHYLCYCLOHEXANE; cis-1-Methyl-4-isopropylcyclohexane; )<br><br>ooh it has a geometric isomer too...<br><br>I can't get any phase change data on it or anything much at all. One would assume it would be vaguely similar to a cyclohexane but heavier. Probably not economic, but might be a way to make use of limonene.<br><br><br>heh i bet one can turn limonene into cineole too considering the locatin of both of those unsaturated carbon bonds, if there's some way to oxidise it to the ether.<br><br>plant oils will yet replace synthetics dammit! </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500281"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-12-04 02:49</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [500281]">No 500281</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">ether substitute</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> just thinking while chatting to a friend in irc and he said 'what about substituting it for ether' and i thought 'well... it is an ether...' should be possible to use in place of ether in at least some reactions </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500307"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-12-04 07:18</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [500307]">No 500307</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">conflicting msds data</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> grrr<br><br>here's what i've found for phase change data of 1,8 cineole (CAS 470-82-6):<br><br><a href="http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1056361.html" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data<wbr>/rw10563<wbr>61.html</a><br><br>Melting Point : 1.00 - 2.00 °C. @ 760.00 mm<br>Boiling Point : 176.00 - 177.00 °C. @ 760.00 mm<br>Boiling Point : 90.00 - 91.00 °C. @ 760.00 mm<br><br>confusing?<br><br>chemfinder returns this info:<br><br>mp 35.6 (presumably at 760mm)<br>bp 351 at 0 mm<br><br>oh really?<br><br>let's see if we can find another different result<br><br><a href="http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/specialtychem/perchem/OIL%20OF%20EUCALYPTUS.htm" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/s<wbr>pecialty<wbr>chem/per<wbr>chem/OIL<wbr>%20OF%20<wbr>EUCALYPT<wbr>US.htm</a><br><br>MELTING POINT<br> <br>BOILING POINT 175 C<br><br><br>AAAAAAAAAHHHH! eureka!<br><br>Here we are! this is the gold i've been prospecting for. This document shows that 1,8 cineole has great potential as a solvent, and some solid physical properties data - liquid phase from 0 to 176, steam distillable, cineol is relatively unreactive and appears to be functionally similar to a most other aliphatic hydrocarbons (looking at it's polymer solvation activity).<br><br>I think we have a winner for a generally useful substitute for xylene that is also very benign biologically and environmentally.<br><br><a href="http://www.oilmallee.com.au/docs/BARTON.doc" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.oilmallee.com.au/docs/BARTON.<wbr>doc</a><br><br>Industrial Uses of Eucalyptus Oil<br><br>A/Prof Allan Barton<br>Division of Science and Engineering - Chemistry, Murdoch University, Murdoch 6150.<br>Email barton@chem.murdoch.edu.au. Tel (08) 9360 2132 Fax (08) 9310 1711<br><br>Summary<br><br>The large-scale planting of Eucalyptus oil mallees to rehabilitate water-logged and salt-affected agricultural land will permit the use of high-cineole leaf oils to replace environmentally unacceptable industrial solvents such as the ozone-depleting trichloroethane. At the same time this process will provide a renewable fuel biomass and a carbon sequestration mechanism.<br><br>....<br><br>space limitations prevent me putting more, but there it is. </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500366"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> foxy2<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Fragile ego</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-12-04 18:05</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [500366]">No 500366</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">I can't see any reason why it would fail as a...</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> <font color="blue">I can't see any reason why it would fail as a substitute for xylene, naptha or toluene in acid/base extractions.</font color="blue"><br><br>Maybee for this reason --> 20/L <br> <span title="The signature"><hr><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.democracynow.org/</a> - The Exception to the Rulers</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post500415"></a><a name="last"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> elfspice<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-12-04 23:17</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [500415]">No 500415</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">$20/L</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> Well, the cost is high, but I think there's probably good reason to suspect it will go down in price as it becomes more adopted, already blends of limonene and cineole are being sold as degreasers. Australia has plenty of land that is arable enough for oil mallee to be grown on it...<br><br>Also, if anybee has bought xylene in a 1L container they probably paid near or over $20 for it, certainly that's what they charge around here for it. so for small quantities, no big deal. And remember you aren't going to cause yourself brain damage or respiratory problems using it... </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> </body> </html>