06-14-04 09:47
No 513342
Hey,
Does anyone have much info or tried out the Herbal Vita-Press from http://www.vitapress.com/
Just curious too see how well the pills hold up.
(Guardian)
06-14-04 11:34
No 513354
yes, without "pneumatics" and binding agents it produces a garbage representitive of what you think you may get out of such a home grown device. Do you expect to manufacture mass produced pharamaceutical quality pressed pills? If yes do not purchase. If you want a somwhat held together mass of product that starts falling apart the minute it touches your tongue, than this product is for you.
Be advised that rapid degradation of tablet consistency once in contact with ones tongue has lead many a pill popper to immediately vomit due to the rapid phase change from a slightly compressed solid to pasty solvent laden mush, that has the consistancy of what those from Pennsylvania would call Scrapple.
My advice, stick to capsules....
just my advice, nothing more, nothing less,
much_love
methyl_ethyl
Unipolar Mania, It's good for life...
(Hive Bee)
06-14-04 12:29
No 513361
if you can compare it to scrapple, then it really must suck. that stuff is gross.
(Hive Adickt)
06-15-04 22:19
No 513724
I use 50%Starch, 2% Mg-sterate and the rest is product. Ballmilled for 10h and pressed in such a device with an medium size cramp (presure under 1 ton) to ubtain perfect pill's hard as comercial ones. It take 30-60sek/pill so it's not the way to make it commercial, but greath for personal use.
The product is way bether than capsules.
(Stoni's sexual toy)
06-16-04 04:01
No 513770
> The product is way bether than capsules.
Why? Because of faster release? Caps will only add 5-7 minutes to the time you have to wait for onset of desired effects. I usually punctured the caps with a needle before taking them so that this time would be eliminated.
BUSH/CHENEY 2004! After all, it ain't my country!
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(Newbee)
06-16-04 12:08
No 513812
pressed in such a device with an medium size cramp
How long do you have to hold it pressed with the cramp?
(Hive Bee)
06-16-04 16:36
No 513852
How long do you have to hold it pressed with the cramp?
And your answer:
It take 30-60sek/pill
Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
(Newbee)
06-16-04 20:12
No 513892
I know it says 30-60 sec/pill BUT there is some time to fill the cavity, some time to remove the pill, maybe some time to inspect pills and clean them up...
(Hive Adickt)
06-17-04 00:50
No 513920
Why? Because of faster release? Caps will only add 5-7 minutes to the time you have to wait for onset of desired effects. I usually punctured the caps with a needle before taking them so that this time would be eliminated.
Nope course I can have pills in my wallet, with cap's il alwayes en up with powder.
(Hive Bee)
06-17-04 01:00
No 513922
did you think that the 60s could include the time to fill, press and empty?
But anyway, caps are probably better and the idea of puncturing them just before eating them to eliminate that time delay (only if your really fussy, just a few mins extra gggeeeessss) is good.
Hest.... what are you trying to say.... you use pills because you can keep them in your wallet? the caps click closed and are rather tight so there is no risk of them leaking powder unless you sit on your wallet or some other way to break them...
Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
(Hive Adickt)
06-17-04 07:39
No 513965
Yes, before I used caps, but from time to time (often) ended up with broken caps. That dosent happen with the pressed pills. I also find dosing easy with the ballmilling part (I know just put the milled material in the caps). Deluting DOM is not that easy.
For the pressingpart i guess ill let it sit for 30'sek.
(Stranger)
06-20-04 05:26
No 514393
want to know from you all if the herbal vita press is worth ordering?
swim wants to it used to make meth/dxm pills for home use but doesn't want them falling apart after a few hours of left aside or fall apart once handled.
thanks.
(Hive Addict)
06-20-04 20:23
No 514521
You want to make meth/dxm pills for home use? If its for home use, just put them in a capsule. I hope you weren't planning on selling those pills as MDMA =(
(Stranger)
06-20-04 21:33
No 514531
swims not planing on selling them as MDMA, swim is not that low.
will the pills hold up? are they fragile? will they crumble once handled or stored for too long?
let's not get off topic.
thanks.
(Hive Bee)
06-20-04 23:26
No 514556
all pills will break up if not treated correctly...
but IMHO the pills made by this herbal press or by using clamps without pneumatic pressure will not make a good pill, they will press and yes may last a while but after a few days they may come apart, esp if they are in a bag banging together all the time....
-AC
Its just my opinion, but no-one listens to me anyway, and rightly so...
(Hive Adickt)
06-21-04 00:45
No 514564
My pills (made from Starch/MCC and 3-5% Mgsterate) pressed with an anwill is just as hard as commercial pills !.
(Hive Addict)
06-21-04 03:04
No 514579
Pardon my ignorance, but what is an "anwill"?
.....fuck the shut up!
(Hive Adickt)
06-21-04 04:20
No 514588
Guess it's also caled a vise, like this
By the way, read Post 191994 (Argox: "Instruction for making tablets.", Methods Discourse)
(Hive Addict)
06-21-04 07:40
No 514609
Here's a decent calculus/physics link involving Wile E. Coyote and anvils.
http://www.karlscalculus.org/calc5_0.htm
I always liked that line from Monty Python's Holy Grail
"is she a wirgen?"
He was just another tree in the forest whom noone heard when he finally fell
(Hive Addict)
06-22-04 21:32
No 514905
That picture is of a "vice".
This is an "Anvil":
http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/anvil1
.....fuck the shut up!
(Hive Adickt)
06-23-04 03:48
No 514956
Sory my vocabulary in the tool field isn't that big :-)
But I'm using a vice, the konstant presure for 30 sek. is quite important, you wont get that with a hammer.
I guess we have been talking vice/anvil enough for now. So let's stik to the subject.
(Stranger)
06-23-04 13:32
No 515027
hey hest, any chance of giving us a detailed method of how you go about making pills with the vise?
(Hive Adickt)
06-23-04 13:55
No 515031
Wath doo you mean ???
Mix MCC:Starch 1:1 add 2-3% Mgsterate. Ballmill with your product. Take 200mg mixture, put into press, then press, and you now have one pill
(Hive Addict)
06-23-04 20:01
No 515095
AFAIK, "Starch" is a group of compounds.
Could you be more specific in regards to the type of Starch you use?
.....fuck the shut up!
(Hive Addict)
06-23-04 20:14
No 515097
Hest (or is that "horse"?),
You were correct in the fact of your vice having an anvil as part of it's function only the anvil part of it is not what you are using for pill compression.
I think Abolt just needs a slight adjustment in his tolerance for those tool users out there whom with English is not their primary language. (I'll bet he knew what you meant when you first said anwill too)
But silly me, I barely know what a "spanner" is.
http://www.agmartsales.com/tools.htm#vic
PS. No she isn't a "wirgen".
He was just another tree in the forest whom nobody heard on his final fall
(Hive Bee)
06-23-04 20:33
No 515101
SWIT got one of his first presses and some custom dies, too. It's a pretty nice press. SWIT used to use microcystaline cellulose (sold in health food stores to keep folks regular or something) as a binder. It makes some hard pills if you wail the fuck out of it with a hammer but SWIT's press was ruined by this method. He sent me a free replacement which was machined a little less tightly. Since SWIT's only used it once but has been being careful. If you have a hydraulic press or even a vice it'd probably be better to use that. All in all, I would not spend $90 on this (mine was cheaper). It's probably better to make caps than tabs but tabs will sell easier. If you have a huge batch to press, don't even think about using one of these guys unless you have the patience of a zen master!
Better loving through chemistry.
(Hive Adickt)
06-24-04 03:27
No 515129
ChemoSabe, yes yoy'r right *lol*
Starc is Potato flour.