11-13-01 18:52
No 236474
Two, nah, make it three separate questions here:
1) Will simply mixing OTC acetone w/ cal sulfate (drierite) and filtering it make it fairly anhydrous, or do I MUST do that laborous "bake epsom salts for 2 hours" thing?
For that matter, can I jusr mix calcium chloride?
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2) I have some NaNo2 crytals, maybe 8 months old, opened, but barely used, given off the SMELL of ammonia! WTF? A sabotoguer (sp), which is possible in my household? Natural processes? Are they ruined?
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3) And speaking of which, regarding an old post of mine
GABA-->GHB, Osmium `stepped up to the plate and informed us the 7 ph was unnecesary. Probably a standardized lab/sci type thingy to get standardized results.
Do yall think its true too to for any of the following: 1 mole vs any amount of water instead?;
dispense with the need for a stirbar/plate (my meanie friend wont let me reborrow) and just mix it together in a jar and shake every now and then;
and/or: 24 hours for GHB to be formed reduced to lets say 6 or 12, etc. Any thoughts?
(Official Hive Translator)
11-14-01 02:10
No 236597
Hey, Gen!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT DO THIS!!!
I read a good old german book a week ago - everything it had on diazotization - and, would you believe it, it said smth like: "diazotization of aliphatic amines is a very dangerous rxn and must bee conducted only under fume hood/gloves/blah-blah, since the by-products (forgot the names, some weird nitroso stuff) are acutely toxic/carcinogenic and cause all sorts of shit"
Oh fuck, i'm sorry i haven't said it bee4 - i wanted to, but i forgot!
Washington, don't do this!!!
Yours,
Antoncho
(Stranger)
11-14-01 02:41
No 236602
ref Question 1 :
In no organic or inorganic chemistry book can I find an entry where calcium chloride reacts with ketones. Calcium chloride combines with ammonia, amines and alcohols, and consequently it must not be used to dry these compounds.
But beware, acetone does form addition compounds with some salts (sodium bisulphate for example). You will have to check that the weight of calcium chloride used does not go down considerably after you have reclaimed and dryed it. Also burn some of the acetone after to check it leaves no residue.
Anhydrous Copper Sulphate would be better than calcium sulphate as it turns blue from white on hydration. Dehydrating using calcium sulphate normally leaves you with a messy cake of gypsum.
(Hive Bee)
11-14-01 13:55
No 236757
Im sorry antocho, I have NO, I repeat NO chemistry bacjground--are you talking about the GHB synth or drying acetone (totally unrelated matter) in question #1.
I have already ingested a few times Nitrite mixed with GABA, is that BAD?
(Old P2P Cook)
11-14-01 19:13
No 236875
I have already ingested a few times Nitrite mixed with GABA, is that BAD?
Yes, he is talking about #3. Yes, it is likely very bad. I was going to say that the nitrosamine of GABA shouldn't be too bad to work with as it should not be very volatile but this was only because it hadn't occureed to me that anyone would be so foolish as to nitrosate GABA and then drink the unpurified solution.
(Stoni's sexual toy)
11-15-01 02:23
No 236954
Oooops! I seriously hope nobody drank any nitrite containing solutions, or even the nitrosamine.
(Hive Bee)
11-15-01 14:36
No 237133
Cool ~ Osmium is here to save the fucking day!! I'll tease thiis out for my limited cranial capacity. If I purify that damn nitrite out, lets say gently distill through a condensor at low (simmering water temps), will I get an aqueous solution containing 70%GBl/30%GHB as Osmium responded in my origonal post, or something nefarious and uncomprehensibe to my child-like mind at least as far as chem goes.
Please answer the other question first, but what are the likely results to exposure to thoese other chems antocho is speaking of? Is this just some big joke the Big Varsity Chem Boys are having on me?
(Chief Bee)
11-15-01 15:16
No 237151
Stomach/throat ulcers as well as gastrointestinal cancer in the long run. Nitroso compounds are pure evil.
(Hive Bee)
11-15-01 18:32
No 237218
But not if I distill it or remove the goodies with DCM, etc., first, correct, because in the original post the results (wherea apurificartion was not given or printed here) the results were 70%/30% GBL?GHB by spectropsy (sp)
IOWords~ safe if distilled, right?
(Hive Bee)
01-08-02 20:00
No 254254
Right?
(Old P2P Cook)
01-08-02 20:34
No 254266
Nitrosamines are really nasty stuff. It would be better to find another route to GHB.