08-11-03 09:44
No 453002
Is there a digest or an discussion on the board in some sort that explains what happens in the diferrent stages of meth manufacture e.g. how the RP/I reduces E physically? Important: it is not a recipe I want but an explanation to one that tells: "why are we doing this step", "what does this do to that"
I hope to be able to make a batch sometime but I just want to know exactly why I am doing things and not just be a "puppet"..
-I hope I maked myself clear considering my lack of english skills :)
I am not sure if this shouldt be on the "stimulants" board but it's a newbee Q so I thought it shouldt go here!?
AND I KNOW THIS WILL BE BROUGHT UP: I ALREADY TRIED TO UTFSE -sorry for caps
(Hive Bee)
08-11-03 17:19
No 453041
Hey dude have you even searched all the Stimulants posts.
man there has got to be shit loads of info in there. read harder and longer, and not with your eyes shut, or you aint going to find fuk all.
look harder dude...." you musnt have search properly
read all these"
http://rhodium.ws/chemistry/index.html I am not going to read and tell you. but i am sure you will find some relevant info there.
../rhodium/meth.hi-
../rhodium/meth.imp
I dont know if these will help, most synth explain the process anyhows me thinks, though i am not into meth.."
all the best
without GLASSWARE where the fuck would we BEE"
08-11-03 17:20
(Rated as: flaming)
(Stranger)
08-11-03 22:23
No 453077
Thx technology SWIF have found parts of information but was just wondering if there were one "collection" with information like all the recipes that is arround here! Well SWIF suppose not then :(
Maybe that wouldt be a good think for SWIF to write when SWIF looses SWIFS meth "virginity"
"fun house: you are an official moron."
-You really shouldt get bad karma for that...
(Hive Addict)
08-12-03 00:54
No 453091
I think Barney the purple dinosaur has a singalong guide to the basic meth cook priciples but it's only available under the table from certain CIA agents.
E = Ephedrine (& Psuedoepedrine)
I = Iodine (usually in I2 form)
R = Red Phosphorous
E I R = your basic three components of what most "do it yourself/hobbyist pharmacuetical makers" use in their home brew recipes.
Your "E" usually needs to be extracted from OTC (over the counter) non prescription pills bouhgt from a store that carries them.
You can be a happy extraction puppet by carefully following the instruction to a popular extraction thread here in this forum.
Hints. VideoEditor Straight to E.
Pinocchio's all time favorite.
If you can figure these hints out and can soon become good little extracting pinocchio clone then I'll place a huge bet at the Honeycomb Casino that you can figure out the other puppet chores and the reasone they are done yourself. And if you can't you'll then have probably at least proven youself worthy of some further helpful non puppet nursery rhymes.
Someone may even set the theoretical home brew procedural instructions plus their reaspns for being done for you to the ol' Hokey Pokey kiddie singalong tune. (if you're lucky)
I actually think that's on Barneys video that the CIA is still trying to keep on ice.
Goodluck Funhouse and if you can try to develop a little puppet pride.
PS. What nation (or continent if you want to generalize) are you from?
while publicly defecating I realized my ass was being devoured by an army of mosquitos
08-12-03 02:52
(Rated as: off-topic)
08-12-03 04:20
(Rated as: misinforming, UTFSE!!!!)
(Stranger)
08-12-03 05:04
No 453101
I think I just could'nt see the forrest for trees !!! Thank you, that was just the kind of thing I was looking for :)...
(Hive Bee)
08-12-03 12:19
No 453149
This will be a bit of an unorthodox suggestion: Chemistry 101
It takes place at high schools and colleges all over the world, and it is astounding in it's ability to bring people a more well rounded understanding of the phenomenon inherent in any chemical environment.
This is not an insult, you need to have understanding of the changes of matter and substances at the molecular/atomic level and trust me, a few threads at the hive will not provide that much insight. Some bee will or could put the formula up, and it won't come close to being decipherable. If it is followed by diagrammatical illustrations of the changes that occur, it will seem as tho some geometry head has doodled stuff that only makes sense should you emerge from Chemistry 101 a graduate.
Race drivers have seen me drive by so fast they puddled up their seat. I am fas-TER!
(Of Counsel)
08-12-03 13:28
No 453165
Different things, mainly.
Mostly harmless
(Stranger)
08-12-03 13:40
No 453169
xboXer> NO SWIF is'nt taking that as an insult at all :).. He/she really think it is a good idear and have allready thought about it a couple of times but unfortunately swif do'nt have the time at the moment :(.... SWIF checked and found out that there is evening courses -maybe that wouldt be a good thing!!
(Hive Addict)
08-12-03 14:01
No 453172
the general consensus is the following:
(pseudo)ephedrine has an OH group that needs to be taken off and replaced with a single H. HI + heat reacts with (pseudo)ephedrine's OH group by replacing the OH with the I from HI. The OH (the leaving group) leaves the (pseudo)ephedrine and reacts with the H from the HI to form H2O. We are then left with iodometh (aka iodoephedrine) and water.
Then, step 2 of the process begins. The I from the iodometh (the leaving group) leaves the iodometh and reacts with the HI, and the H from the HI fills the gap leaving meth and I2.
The I2 then reacts with RP to form HI, and the process starts all over again.
This is a basic idea of what is happening as I understand it.
(Hive Addict)
08-12-03 22:14
No 453241
The (this particular ) reaction is sometimes called a reduction. Why? The result of the completed (and worked up) reaction is a molecule that has had some (2 of hydrogen maybe?) atoms stripped from the molecule it originated from.
Since the resulting molecule has had something removed it also weighs less than the original molecule it started as. This fact is relevent concerning yeilds or the amounts you began with compared to the amount you end up with.
ephedrine (or psuedoephedrine) gets stripped of some key atoms by way of exposure to the reaction that occurs when iodine and red phosphorous are combimed. What began as ephedrine then becomes methamphetamine.
And funhouse my mention of puppet pride was meant as a somewhat abstrtacty way for me to express that I hope you appreciate that this type of information is present here at all and is completely free of charge.
This site and it's contents....be happy of it's existence... but I think that you do appreciate what it really is and it's true uniqueness.
Evil applications of this academic information is strictly not recommended
(Hive Bee)
08-12-03 23:18
No 453259
dude, we are doing "this step" because of chemistry. in science there are things called scientific processes, in chemistry there are things called chemical reactions and chemical changes. and that is "why we are doing this step". maybe you need to check this out(the whole thing)http://chemistry.about.com/library/blche
peace out