chaos_mischief (Stranger)
08-13-03 12:54
No 453388
      liquid nitrogen vs. anhydrous ammonia  Bookmark   

Anhydrous Ammonia is utilized to melt the lithium strips in the meth process, correct?  Can liquid nitrogen be used in place of it?

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    catfish
(Hive Bee)
08-13-03 13:11
No 453393
      UTFSE  Bookmark   

C_M-
azane is your only hope here.
You're gonna need a lightning bolt to do anything with N gas.
-catfish
PS-for more info on azane, UTFSE!

all information related for educational purposes only!
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    chaos_mischief
(Stranger)
08-13-03 14:32
No 453407
      liquid nitrogen vs. anhydrous ammonia  Bookmark   

the nitrogen is in liquid form...not gas
 
 
 
 
    k0dog
(Hive Bee)
08-13-03 15:46
No 453419
      to work with liquide nitrogen...  Bookmark   

To work with liquide fom you would need to be under a huge ammount of pressure... not plausible for clandestine chemistry... at least under normal circumstances... he's right.... try that other compound...

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    Rhodium
(Chief Bee)
08-13-03 17:02
No 453431
      The special role of ammonia in the Birch reduction  Bookmark   

Anhydrous Ammonia is utilized to melt the lithium strips in the meth process, correct?

No, that is wildly incorrect. It is used to dissolve the lithium, and due to certain properties of anhydrous ammonia, this dissolution creates solvated free electrons in the solution, and these are in turn the active reducing species in the Birch Reduction.

Can liquid nitrogen be used in place of it?

Not at all. Liquid nitrogen is a very bad solvent for most substances, due to its non-polarity. Also, it cannot harbor any solvated free electrons, the only other solvents besides ammonia which can do that are certain lower alkylamines (this has been discussed a lot in the Stimulants forum, try to search for "birch AND amines" and follow the threads which turn up.