Glacial_Refluxer
(Hive Bee) 11-20-03 08:06 No 471902 |
Amphetamine workup to Carbonate | |||||||
What would be the simpleist way to workup a finished PPA/HI/RP reflux to end up with amphetamine carbonate or any other smokeable form? |
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Osmium (Stoni's sexual toy) 11-20-03 09:48 No 471923 |
The hydrochloride is smokeable. | |||||||
The hydrochloride is smokeable. I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate. http://www.antiwar.com/ |
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Glacial_Refluxer (Hive Bee) 11-20-03 10:35 No 471935 |
tried before >wet crystals | |||||||
Amphetamine hcl = sticky messes for swim. Hydroscopic I think the word is. Any other suggestions? Swim was thinking about mixing up enough sodium bicarb and water to make a thin paste, mix it with the np/fb and shake to hopefully end up with "rocks" but swim not sure if amphetamine carbonate is soluable in np. Maybe sucking off the fb amph off the rxn fluid, washing it then adding sodium bicarb will do it? http://www.altavista.com/ |
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wareami (Hive Addict) 11-21-03 01:20 No 472099 |
While on the subject.... | |||||||
Let me pick UP a Side Rail if I may! What makes cocaine hcl not smokable until brought to freebase? What makes methamphetamine freebase not smokable until brought to hcl? Just curious! And why isn't amphetamine smokable? He's never tried it....but Ibee's never heard of peeps raving on amphetamine smoking! If these seem like outrageously redickuless questions....consider the source Ibee's no chemist nor professes to bee but thrives on enlightenment and growth Thanx! Peace of the RXN Have FUN-Bee SAFE |
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Glacial_Refluxer (Hive Bee) 11-21-03 02:02 No 472110 |
well | |||||||
cocaine hcl is smokeable, methamphetamine freebase is smokeable, amphetamine SULFATE is unsuitable for smoking due to its high boiling point [the molecules get destroyed before it melts. Amphetamine hcl quikly turns to liquid when exposed to moisture in the air. Swim filtered out the rp, washed HI fluid with np, then added sodium bicarb to the rxn fluid, fb oil floated to top, the oil was poured into dish and mixed with sodium bicarb along with low heat. Sadly it would not turn solid. What should swim do, turn into the sulfate form then add bicarb/water/heat just like making crack from coke salt? http://www.altavista.com/ |
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wareami (Hive Addict) 11-21-03 02:15 No 472112 |
Let's refrain....or is that rephrase... | |||||||
>cocaine hcl is smokeable Well of course it's smokable....it just sits there and smokes like hell! Back in the days before crack....why did peeps take all the risk of fryin like pryor if that step of making freebase was an unnecessary waste of time? Ya lost me there! And the same goes with: >methamphetamine freebase is smokeable Is Ibee missing something here as well? Why go through all the trouble of acidifying the base, post rxn, if it can just be left as freebase, sukatubed UP, and smoked? Eye appeal and portabilty? Still wondering! Peace of the RXN Have FUN-Bee SAFE |
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Rhodium (Chief Bee) 11-21-03 09:32 No 472192 |
Why people aren't using straight meth oil | |||||||
Why go through all the trouble of acidifying the base, post rxn, if it can just be left as freebase, sukatubed UP, and smoked? 1) It does not keep well as the freebase, as it will partly turn into its carbonate in air, and as that is hygroscopic it will turn into an aqueous puddle. The freebase can also be oxidized and discolored relatively fast in air. 2) It is completely impossible to handle or measure without big losses. It will also evaporate over time. |
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Glacial_Refluxer (Hive Bee) 11-21-03 10:32 No 472206 |
carbonate is great! | |||||||
Well warami, the freebase/carbonate versions are easy to deal with in a solid chunk rather than powder plus it seems to do the trick better than hcl when smoked. Swim had sucess forming amphetamine carbonate by "rocking up" the sulfate form with bicarb. Swim has smoked cocaine hcl via vaporizing on foil and straw results were weak compared to smoking cocaine carbonate via direct flame / glass pipe & copper. Smoked meth hcl via vaporizing, effects were instant and good. Rocked some up with bicarb, smoked via direct flame/pipe results were VARY good. Tried to vaporize amphpet sulfate but didnt melt, smoked the sulfate via direct flame/pipe results were "below average" the amphet carbonate via direct flame is great. All swim can say if you smoke, create the carbonate and use a "crack pipe" methylaminorex freebase is swim's choice drug for getting "high" |
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charliebrown (Stranger) 11-24-03 03:03 No 472756 |
hey, in this post u talk about forming ... | |||||||
hey, in this post u talk about forming carbonates on meth salts, i was under the impression carbonates were formed by introducing carbon dioxide and water to form carbonic acid which would then attach to freebase, but r u saying it will attach to a salt? ive never done it so i am curious... what does it look like? not like regular crystals by way of rxn? |
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Glacial_Refluxer (Hive Bee) 11-26-03 07:17 No 473234 |
The sodium carbonate freebases the salt first. | |||||||
The sodium carbonate freebases the salt first. http://www.altavista.com/ |
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elfspice (Stranger) 12-14-03 04:30 No 476696 |
how does one 'rock up' the alkaloids? | |||||||
I am very interested to know how one goes about making a carbonate salt of an alkaloid. I have this image of taking soda water (preferably made fresh with an aerator and distilled water) and adding this to freebase alkaloids, the aqueous carbonic acid should then ionise the alkaloid(s) and it would then migrate into the water. |
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Rhodium (Chief Bee) 12-14-03 04:36 No 476697 |
You need to add dry ice to a solution of the... | |||||||
You need to add dry ice to a solution of the free base in a non-polar solvent, then filter. Aqueous CO2 is no good. The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders |
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ChemoSabe (Hive Addict) 06-30-04 16:45 No 516553 |
Meth Carbonate Vaporized? | |||||||
Can anyone else confirm the rumor that vaporizing (or smoking if you burn it) meth carbonate is a superior experience to that given by vaporizing meth hcl? And if so can you describe the difference? So dry ice and the fb in a non polar will do it as far as making it goes? Swim would choose naphtha first. Xylene stinks but it's the only one I've heard mentioned for this so far. It's time to bone up on your 5 card stud. |
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