11-23-03 23:15
No 472717
Ok…This post is about SWIG experiments on meth sints. SWIG only has 2 experiments in his “curriculum”. Since his starting he doesn’t want to spend much money (he doesn’t have it!) so he doesn’t have any specific glassware or chemistry devices. He has read a lot lately. He only had 2 years of chemistry a long time ago in school and none of those was practical…only teory and very basic shit!!! But with the help of this site and Rhodium’s own site (HE WANTS TO SAY THANKS TO ALL MASTER BEES AROUND HERE) he managed to get 2 reactions going.
All percurssors are OTC.
Iodine is from 30 ml bottle. Each bottle will teoreticaly contain: 0.3g I + 0.6g KI. He allways run 5 bottles extractions so teoreticaly he has : 1.5g I + 3 g KI. First time he extracted with the Peroxide, HCL method and he got 2.8g of Iodine…second time he tried the H2SO4, Bleach and with the knowleje he got from first extraction he got 3.5g of Iodine which he thinks not bad (???).
Red Phosphorous is from Matchboxes using the method at Rhodium site. He uses big matchboxes…striker pad is a reactangle with 6cmx2cm and every box has 2 striker pads. From what he gathered from first extraction he refined the process this second time (mainly he let things settle more time) so for every 20 boxes (40 striker pads) he extracts 6g of RP.
Pfed is a problem. Swig cannot exceed the 30-35% yield. He has tried almost all kinds of methods. He doesn’t have a Hotplate (hes very sad about not having one…) and using microwave its not the best option.
(This Part was added after: well he told me yesterday that he managed to improve yield. He grabs entire pills. Not grinded. He used to put entire pills in coffee filter, then cover with a plastic bag and he hits with a hammer. Very fine powder. But now he put entire pills. Cover 2 times with o-Xileno. Imeadtly pills start to bubble. Soak for some time . he soaked overnight. Decant non-polar. Add nonpolar 3 times volume. Go to microwave to boil a little. Not much or pill mass will turn brown. Pills are reduced to power automaticly. After this boil he adds acetone and work pill mass a little bit. Decant acetone. Add 3 times volume of methanol. He let sit for 2 hours at least but more he guesses its best. By that time methanol was less clouded so he filtered through 2 coffee filters and several cotton balls on filter. Methanol appears to be clean. Boil in microwave not very fast. Keep an eye on it…its so easy to burn…when almost dry, he throws a little acetone on it…it seems like ice…evap and scrape. If brown then clean with acetone…SWIG kept these acetone cleaning and yielded shit from then so…well yield can be improved with perfectionism but he got 60-70% this time)
Reactions
He followed the Curbs Nano on both experiments. First reaction was a lazy one. Just to see how things worked…so he mixed 1g E+3g I+2g RP…he yielded 0.3 g of a very yellow shit due to the nonpolar solvent he used, turpentine essence which he tottaly disaproves since too much residue after water evap… (by that time, he never thought in makin a second pull from the basic reaction…inocent guy;)..but then next day he dreamt about makin it, so he got like 2 big lines from first pull and 0.25g the second pull)…he spent 2 days awake (couldnt sleep;)) and smokin like 25 mg every 3-4 hours…so he study more…he knows this was very poor yield so he must be more perfect and relaxed next time and needs to ponderate on what happened to see what errors he fell into…so that’s what he did!
Second reaction was much more worth. He followed the “The post-reaction workup” by geezmeister, published at rhodium’s site. He used 1.5g E+3g I+2g RP this time. He did some more pulls than the previous experiment and he washed the non-polar solvent with dH2O. He also got some PH meter strips. The reaction vessel used was a 250 ml mineral water glass bottle which reassembles a Erlenmeyer flask very well. Used ballons ( I say baloons coz he uses more than one…he needs to gets diferent ballons next time…this ones he has doenst explode but after 30 minutes it gets very small holes and a lot of white fukin bad smoke escapes…btw this smoke is really nasty…he got shoke and he had to leave room very fast to try to breath…). He used only xylene as nonpolar. First pull was with minimal water so he could try what he did very fast ;)…he made 2 nonpolar extractions from Basic Reaction Fluid and he extracted 3 times from those pulls, so a total of 6 water pulls…ah! But the second nonpolar solvent pull was only performed 12 hours later (12 hours to lettle things absorb and settle well)…when he has the necessity to make all kinds of shit ;) ahahahah!!! He’s happy coz he got 0.7g from all pulls plus maybe +- 0.15g which he consumed along the way…
What he really needs is to perfect his Pfed Extraction technique. After he managed to get somewhere between 75-85% of yielded Pfed he will try some 5g batch using this same setup and methods which worked pretty good.
He’s also going to aquire some beakers and a separatory funnel and if he makes some money he will invest in a Hotplate/Stirrer combo which he believes will help a lot. He can get LG Iodine so he’s giving up on Tincture ( 25 g of sublimed Iodine cost the same as 5 bottles of tinture so…)…he will stick to matchbox RP since its easy and it doesn’t stink/stain like the fukin tincture plus its easy recycled…
He also took some photos of some procedures but since this is over and over discussed hes not posting them. (If u want just say and I publish them.)
Last but not least important, in fact the most important, he wants to say thanks to all bees and please excuse his and my english.
THANKS AND PEACE!
(Hive Bee)
11-23-03 23:25
No 472718
Have you ever tried getting RP from the little books, You might get better yeild for your buck, you can get a case of matchbooks for 75$ and you can get anywhere from 20-30 grams for 75$. What's your yeild per dollar?
--Word on the street is, You Reap What You Sow
(Stranger)
11-23-03 23:49
No 472722
hi LD
well these 6 gr (40 striker pads from 20 big boxes) costs around 3.85€ . SWIG is not from US. maybe boxes here have more Phosporous and less shit. he really cant tell. he can easily get 30 grams for 20€ (euro is almost like dollar)...that would be his next goal
(Hive Addict)
11-24-03 00:21
No 472730
Gonzo.
Get Gonzo to do an acetone boil at the beginning of the procedure to remove waxes and glues.
This will allow your xyleno more free access to the more nasty gaks I believe, and filtering throughout the rest of the procedure will bee much easier.
Grind your pills with a pestle while the acetone is covering it for your first boil. (before you boil)
Proceed...with solvent boils, or basification.
have you tried dry mixing the base with gup like in the tetra trap?
You don't need 2 Bee High to follow the goings-on @The-Hive--Just Addikted!
(Stranger)
11-24-03 19:25
No 472892
Hi again.
Yo Halfkast! How are u mate? No…SWIG didn’t tried that yet... but he will in the near futureJ
In the meantime, SWIG managed to make another reaction and this time he used diferent quantities:
-2.75g E (very brownish, didn’t got better with acetone wash)
-5g I (very damp coz was extracted 2 hours ago)
-4g RP (reusing part of it)
Reaction went pretty well. Started without any water adition. Used a condom. No baloon this time and it worked better. Sand bath with ocasional heating. By the 20 minutes mark, SWIG got a little apreensive coz everything inside the bottle was very liquid…SWIG tought he tottaly fucked up…Iodine to damp…but there was no motive to preocupation…by the 40 minutes mark, SWIG notice a little calm down so he heats constantly from now on…starts to bubble and an increase on condom size…bubbles like crazy!!!!!!!!…CONDOM WASN’T PROPERLY FITTED so with the building pressure and increase of size, it slipped away! BADDDDDDDDD! Smoke started to run off and SWIG quickly got his mask…but this wasn’t enough, so he takes the bottle outside, uncovered, smoking and he got away from room to catch some fresh air…he returns to room 1 minute later and tried to put another condom…well he got a little distracted and when he looks back to the bottle, the condom was being pulled inside the bottle!!!SWIG cuts condom and gives the reaction an end.One hour and 7 minutes more or less has passed.He adds 20ml of dH2O and let it sit for 1 hour while he goes out for a drink. When he’s back again, he was very anxious to start the second part of the reaction, so he looks at bottle and all RP is now settled in the bottom while a darker yellow, much darker than any of the previous reactions, is asking to be filtered….he quickly prepares funnel with a few cotton balls…and by a miracle he remembers to saturate filters first this time ( Clap! Clap! Clap! Urrrra! )…he filters the sweet smeling dark yellow liquid while he’s preparing the 20 ml dH2O + 8g NaOH…Then shit happened!!! …SWIG got really stupid and since the acetone can has the same form has the Xilene can, he drops 50 ml of acetone instead of 50ml of Xylene…he took a look at bottle expecting separation but nothing…then he realizes he made shit!BIG SHIT infact! Not happy with the shit he made he drops the Very Basic Aqueous Solution which instantanliously fall to the bottom and he adds the 50 ml Xylene. WHAT A SHIT! SWIG cant forgive himself!!!SWIG’s will is to drop all shit in the sink!!!he’s really pissed off!!!!! He calms down by smoking some weed….some time after, 3 distintive layers: Clear Xylene, Cloudy water and shit with clear basic solution. The clear Xylene was maybe half of the 50 ml he originaly drop inside, so he decanted and washed 3 times with dH2O. Adds half of xylene volume with dH2O and 2 drops of HCL. Shake like hell till arm hurts then changed arm and shake again. Let it sit for 15 minutes maybe. Separate to evap dish. Put above heater. Another bad humuor phase strikes SWIG and he throw all shit away through the sink without thinking twice. Washes all glassware and adds another 20 ml of dH2O to the reaction vessel. Filtered through same filter but this time he correctly adds Xylene. Washed Xylene 3 times and did 3 pulls completely demotivated by the bad luck his having with this reaction. Put on evaping dishes and he goes to sleep. Ah wait!…he adds another 20 ml of dH2O to the reaction flask again…After 6 hours, the first extration, the fuked one, was completely dry so SWIG scrapes and yielded maybe 2 big lines of a very white fluffy shit…never yielded such white shit…puts on aluminium foil and smokes a little bit…distant from what he has tasted before, he loses his faith…so he goes back to sleep…I guess it was very low active coz he felt a sleep right away. After 4 hours the first 2 dishes from the second and correctly done extraction, we’re dry…so he scrapes and he yields like 0.3 g of a tan white dust from the first dish. Test it and it tastes much better now so he puts this apart…second dish was scraped and another 0.3 of tan white dust was colected and put apart from the first. Being much active by now,(ihihih….) SWIG decides on doing the third dH2O extraction which was relaxing inside reaction vessel, from previous nite. And he yield some more… maybe 0.4g of still active shit. He thinks that, if it wasn’t the first bad extraction, SWIG could do pretty good on this one, regarding that this is his 3rd reaction.
Ok ppl thx for all
Peace
(Stranger)
11-25-03 22:30
No 473157
Hey sorry for keep replying to my own posts but everyday SWIG brings me some news about the methods used.
Ok…SWIG takes 0.5g of the soft yellow dust from the previous experiment and puts on evap dish. Drops Acetone on top…a little not to much…then he mix all Acetone with the “dirty” dust…and dust is getting cleaner!!!…white….hmmm…beautiful he thinks…decant Acetone to another clean dish coz very fine particles we’re present and SWIG wants to know what they may be. The now much cleaner white dust burns better and tastes better…nomore of HCL taste and smell…from what evaped from the Acetone cleaning dish SWIG sees two kinds of stuff….a yellow shit…blearghhh!!!and some white and very fine cristals…he collects those and smoke them right away!…hmmmm… lovely…he weights shit and now shit weights 0.4 or so…next time when SWIG completes a decent reaction with at least 5g of E, he will try the Re-Cristalizaction…SWIG wonders and want to ask why bees use Isopropanol alcool…can’t this Re-Cristalizaction be done with, for example, Methanol???or Ethanol???He reads somewhere, Warlock’s site I guess, that it can be done with Methanol…but SWIG wants to know why all bees use Isopropanol??does this alcool have any particular properties??
Anyway, SWIG just ordered 50g of sublimated Iodine for his next adventures. He will spend this week gathering pills for extraction of the infamous E. Since in this country SWIG lives there aren't pseudoephedrine pills selling without prescription, things are a little harder…but they still sell…so SWIG goes to a couple of pharmacies to buy the Ac****d pills. Another thing SWIG wants to ask is this: Since pills contain Tripolidine, 2,5 mg each, and imagine some of this Tripolidine escapes with the final extracted E, SWIG wonders what happen with this Tripolidine???E is reduced to meth….and this Tripolidine??does is get reduced to anything???
SWIG just found a cool chemical/glassware supplier here in his country. He aproach them by mail and they we’re quick on they’re replies. They didn’t ask anything. SWIG doesn’t have much money to spend but here’s a list of it’s first order (some terms maybe uncorrectly spelled):
- 1000 ml, 600 ml, 100 ml Hi-form Beakers
- 100 mm diam. Glass Funnel
- 200 x 90mm diam. Filters
- 4 x 4 mm diam. x 250 mm glass stirring rod
- Flat Bottom Flask heavy wall (500 ml 24/32 IN)
- 50 g sublimated Iodine
They deliver next day and all this will cost 40 Euro with delivery expenses included. Its all SWIG can spend now. He will make a second order where he will order a Thermometer, a 500 ml separatory funnel, a 0.1 ml reading pipette, various sizes glass bottles, and more Iodine if needed. Later if money apperars:) he will invest in a decent condenser and some more Glassware.
I will try to keep things updated with my further experiences.
Thanx to u all.
(Stranger)
12-03-03 05:23
No 474418
well SWIG is still waiting for the glass and the iodine to come...in the meantime he got another nano going on...
...eheheh...1.5E,3I & 2RP...well this time the reaction has gone without no ballon problems...1st phaze was like 50 minutes...I applied almost NO heat...then i gently started to heat...yellow drops are falling inside the bottle...refluxing...mad bubbling...when ever this bubbles reach the bottom i can hear it bubbling...beatiful...well it took another 50 minutes to end...very clean reflux by now...not yellow anymore and after some more minutes there was absolutely no more action...even with heat applied...SWIG releases ballon...cough cough!!!!...still to much HI smell...added water and put outside for some time to cool...smell again...VERY diferent smell from what he's used too (4 reactions with this one)...not to fragant/perfume...yet he recognizes "the smell" somewhat in there...its not very acentuated and he must say its not pleasant at all to smell...start filtering process...another curiosity happened...this time the fluid WASN'T yellow or orange ...no...It was cloudy white...SWIG got very apreensive. Yield very white and fluffly shit which is active but not VERY Phisical...more brain SWIG thinks... yielded 0.8 g but there is still the last 2 dishes evaporating...( a total of 8 evaps
...SWIG only give up when no more shit is comin )well thx guys.
PEACE
(Stranger)
12-08-03 15:39
No 475435
Swim recommends matches made by a popular cigarette company ,for 50 bucks you can get around 35 grams of rp,just rinse the rp with acetone to get the glue out(lots of it).Hope this is somewhat helpful
12-08-03 15:41
(Rated as: have you noticed the "edit post" function?)
(Stranger)
12-15-03 14:45
No 476980
-Regarding xxvampxx000 comment...Like I said before (one should read entire thread before posting)I can easly get 30 gr of fine Redphosphorous from 20€-
Latest Update.
Hi folks,
Well SWIG is still waiting for the glass and Iodine from the chem supplier. It should arrive any moment so let’s wait!:)
In the meantime SWIG has performed another reaction. This time he used some tincture from pharmacies. Much better price/yield ratio. He used to buy in “big surface supermarket” (those who claim to have the lower prices around!:)) but was only 1% I and 2% KI, so he needed some bottles to get at least 3gr Iodine. Now he has founded 7% Iodine, which is best for his porpose I guess. This tincture costs 1€ where the other cost 0.45€, but its worth. All other percurssors we’re lying around from previous week homework.
Chemicals quantities used:
- 3.5gr of Pseudoefedrina extracted from A*****d pills.
- 6gr of Iodo from 7% tincture which was extracted the day before and dried inside bottle with Calcium Chloride.
- 4gr of Redphosphorous from Matches. About 1gr of this phosphorous came from previous reactions.
First goes the Iodine (It was found to be a solid mass so SWIG has reduced it to finer granules using a wood stick)… then he adds the Pfed… Stir the vessel which is a 250 ml glass bottle that reassembles an erlenmeyer. It was the first vessel used and its still rocking. It has some P residues from previous reaction. It was dry thou… He prepares the condom he’s going to use and cuts the tape, black electrical type. Time to add the P so carefully SWIG adds it. Nothing happened right away…Swig looks inside the vessel. Stir the contents and waits for those sometimes dificult to get first bubbles…nothing…well SWIG decides to add water…One drop…nothing yet…but then and catching SWIG from surprise the contents start to react!!!!JESUS LORD! FUUUUUUUUUCKKK…never seen anything like this before!!!! Vessel heated like hell and instantanously burned his hand leaving burning marks (gloves are a must when using above 4 gr of Iodine or at least remember not to grab the vessel…Let me say that SWIG has only performed small reactions, 1 to 2 gr of E doubling this amount with Iodine, and he allways cools vessel prior to add any chems but this time when was more important, he forgot about that!!!).
He stirs the reaction vessel hard enough trying to stop the mess…he tries to see the contents but that turned out to be impossible as there was to many shit in the walls…BIG ORANGE SMOKE…heavy smoke that floats inside vessel and almost reached the condom!!! Its impossible to grab the vessel for more than a few seconds even wearing gloves! This shit is Fukin HOT!
In SWIG’s brain an image occurred….it was a phrase taken from the warlock site I guess “…yellow or red smoke…NOT GOOD…maybe a fire inside…” but then it calms down…everything is liquid now…well it looks like first part of the reaction was done…what was to take 25-30 minutes happened in 20 seconds…” this can only be bad...sweet dream turned into nightmare”…
Reaction has really stoped…nothing is happening and SWIG can inspect better the inside of the vessel now…looks like a metalic yellow/red liquid above the sludge…”Is this the end??…hmmm…no…better is to heat to see…” So in a sand bath, SWIG gently sarts to heat the vessel. (One improvement from previous reactions is the use of a fume hood. No more fumes around and that is a much better/safer condition to work I must say).
Vessel was still hot from the first messy part so heating was not going to do much and really nothing happened for 5 minutes…only one tought strikes SWIG mind –“ DID I TOTALLY FUCKED UP?”-
Some minor bubbling starts then…looks normal but its still very dificult to see inside as to many shit is grabed to the vessel walls…After 10 minutes it starts to melt more and a yellow reflux is now observed…at the 20 minutes mark no signs of calming and the reflux is now much intense with yellow drops,…SWIG awaits the cleaner reflux…normally it takes 30-45 minutes to reach it but after 50 minutes, still no signs of calming down…some white smoke…shit seems to be breathing…much finer bubbles now and that crispid sound from the reflux drops when reaching the sludge…70 minutes and aparently the reflux is much cleaner while the sludge is still bubling, not bravely like before but in larger big bubbles…80 minutes and everything looks calm but there is still bubbling…SWIG decides to shut of the heat and let the bottle inside the sand bath…the contents look pink…well not bright pink but sort of dark pink but brighter then the Phosphorous marron…white smoke everywhere…adding water now…25 ml to start…waiting for the lovely smell…yet another diferent smell is what SWIG gets…it seems close to “that smell” but it has a touch of other odor which SWIG cant identify since he’s not a chemist or something like that. SWIG gently starts to heat the vessel again which contains the sludge and the 25 ml of water. Boil it for some time. Put aside to cool and prepares the funnel, the cotton balls, the coffee filter and the very Basic solution. Back to the reaction vessel, he stirs it like a crazy trying to get all that P…filtering…hmmm…weird….the liquid apart from being cloudy, wasn’t yellow but rather whitish…tan white but defenetly not yellow like before…no signs of Phoshorous or any other visible particules floating in this white cloudy liquid…re-filter it but didn’t improve…still cloudy…adding NonPolar now, 50 ml…adding basic solution…precipitates a yellow/white shit…adding more basic solution to bring it up closer to Nonpolar…stops when that happened…
Now SWIG has a question for all u experienced bees:
When inspecting the liquid closely and after 15-20 minutes, SWIG comtemples 3 diferent things/layers (well these questions are “general” and not from this particular reaction. This happens all times):
-in the bottom there is the most clear liquid and the salt he added before…
-then right above is the messy yellow/white “dust”
-and then the nonpolar…
What SWIG really wants to know, since he as read it somewhere is:
1 - Can we actually see the Meth????
2 - Is the meth this middle whitish/ yellow sludge layer???
3 - … Or will Meth became invisible by completely dissolving in the nonpolar??
4 - Should this middle layer go along with the nonpolar to the separatory funnel???
When inspecting closer SWIG sees that very little bubbles are going all the way up the Nonpolar and after 30 minutes this bubbling seems to stop and right bellow nonpolar is this “dusty look” layer with brown garbage added, which gets SWIG very apreensive…
SWIG decants the nonpolar and then with eye droper he managed to get all nonpolar but NO DUSTY shit...Another thing is that Nonpolar is yellow...well not yellow yellow but its not transparent as before and it looks like apple juice but not to dark…like diluted apple juice…OK, SWIG decides to wash the nonpolar so he adds half the amount with D-Water…shake but not to much…takes a sample to measure PH…shit! SWIG reads PH=8…damn!! He decides to add water to the bottle where the very basic solution was trying to make a very diluted basic solution. He then adds a little of this solution to the Dwater inside…reads PH above 10 now so he takes this water away and repeats this wash more 2 times allways adding some of the basic solution as PH was allways falling above 10 ( Some fukin weird shit was reserved to happen to SWIG this day I guess…)
SWIG adds now half amount with water and 8 drops of muriatic acid. Set aside and adds same quantity of water but no acid this time adding this extract to the previous extract…repeats once more and with the 3 water extracts now combined, he makes his way to the microwave (he was going to separate those extracts and let 2 of them evap in normal conditions aka above heater with no microwaving but since this reaction was likely to be a complete failure he decided to go way and nuke the MF!… 20 minutes in 30% potency was suficient…opened the microwave and almost sufocate with the INTENSE HCL smoke/smell…ihihihih…a very fine and dry layer was left and the dish was very hot…SWIG didn’t want to dry that much…SWIG adds acetone now which resulted in vigours boiling along with very fine crystal layer…carefully decant this acetone and yielded 0.2g of yellow cristals that didn’t improve in color with further acetone washes…Repeated this all process using another 20ml of Dwater which we’re added at beginning and settled inside the reactions for as long as this procedure took. Yielded 0.4 gr of a much clear product.
Total yield was an insignificant amount of 0.5gr of active stuff…which leads to one conclusion:
RED/ORANGE smoke is probably bad!
RESUME of events, signs and variables taken from this experience:
- First part of the reaction was to fast, having a duration of merely 20 seconds instead of 25-30 minutes as stated in most procedures using a ballon/condom. (An ice bath seems to be the way to go on these “above 2gr” of E reactions. SWIG will try not to forget that next time)
- Reaction wasn’t forced to end at the one hour mark as SWIG allways does.
- Resulting fluid wasn’t yellow but rather withish and cloudy.
- Precipitated a “brighter orange dust” instead of the white/brighter yellow SWIG used to get after the basic solution adition.
- Xylene was transparent but has a piss color…yellowing that didn’t get away even after 3 washes
- Washes automaticly droped the PH to 8. A little basic solution had to be added to the washing water.
- Microwave was used at 30% potency to completely evap/dry the dishes filled with water extracts.
- Yield was very BAD. From 3.5 E, 6 I and 4 P only 0.5g was achieved. SHAME!
Ok this one is part of the history by now…I guess main factor to failure was the fast reaction right in the beginning. SWIG will perform another one like this but using this one to correct potential problems that might occur.
See ya next time! PEACE!
(Stoni's sexual toy)
12-15-03 15:11
No 476988
I didn't read all you wrote, can't be arsed to go through it and respond to every comment. What I don't understand is why people are still going through the fucking flask fire drama. I mean, it's not like this shit hasn't been talked over and over and over from every angle possible ad nauseum.
> He stirs the reaction vessel hard enough trying to stop the mess…
Priceless.
> adding water now…25 ml to start…
Great idea. Adding entirely too much water much too late into the reaction. Not that it matters after you killed everything with your flask fire...
> DID I TOTALLY FUCKED UP?
Sounds like it.
> RED/ORANGE smoke is probably bad!
Great discovery you made there. Don't know what we'd do without your contribution, and how we overlooked this all these years.
> …adding NonPolar now, 50 ml…adding basic solution…
Why am I not surprised? The concept of A/B extraction still seems to be too intellectually involved for most "cooks". Not that it made any difference at this point, the whole thing was doomed from the beginning anyway.
I wonder why Rhodium wrote the Stimulant Forum Faq Digest when nobody is ever reading it. I guess real men don't need that scientific hoopla, only limpwristed science geeks need that kind of shit to cook chili!
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.
http://www.antiwar.com
(Stranger)
12-15-03 21:39
No 477045
Whovwas asking for your opinion anyway?
SWIG felt I should transcript what happened...no big deal. anyway SWIG ONLY MADE ONE QUESTION which by the way u didnt awnser so plz use your time to do something useful for u or others who might ask for your help.
If u read with some attention u see that all those "bright" conclusions u reached I too found them by reading prior...flask fire..well first time i heard about it was on "Worlock's Meth Synthesis Page" (link found at rhodium site). I started reading 6 month ago and started executing shit 1 1/2 month ago, never had real pratical chemistry...so sincerely post anything useful using others threads mate...
-"Adding entirely too much water..." too much???followed the "curbs nano" and it seems that he adds 20ml for a 1.5 gr reaction. What should then be the right amount for a 3g reaction??? U say too much but didnt correct so it seems useless and pointless to write it.
- "DID I TOTALLY FUCKED UP?" I was thinking to myself not asking...I guess I should keep thoughts inside my brain then.
-"I wonder why Rhodium wrote the Stimulant Forum Faq Digest when nobody is ever reading it" Well I read it...not everyday..but i guess Im not like u...so full of light...so iluminated.
sorry didnt mean to offend u or anything like that. The post was to register what happened back there and nothing more.
Man I tottaly understand your point regarding post about stuff u tottaly control and are used to perform or performed years ago BUT me no... but i feel there might be others like me who enjoy to read a lot. I do some search on subject and save them to read at work... and when im high nothing gives me more pleasure than reading...from what ive read here some like to do cleanings :) but me, I like to read.
Sorry about my poor english too.
PEACE
(Chief Bee)
12-15-03 22:23
No 477052
I was thinking to myself not asking...I guess I should keep thoughts inside my brain then.
Good idea. I think everyone prefer short posts which are right down to the point instead of multi-page essays.
The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders
(Stoni's sexual toy)
12-15-03 22:56
No 477062
What we are trying to tell you is:
do a long, gentle reflux. Add more water in the beginning, and add your ingredients slowly, and in a different order. Let the soup boil at least overnight, better yet 24 hrs and experience the joy of higher yields, better product quality, non-dramatic slow and easily controlable reaction.
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.
http://www.antiwar.com
(Stranger)
12-15-03 22:58
No 477064
thx for your time. Long reflux like that is impossible now as i need electric plate for that. still i will try in the future.
thx again.
(Chief Bee)
12-16-03 18:00
No 477193
that is impossible now as i need electric plate for that
Oh, those insurmountable obstacles...
The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders
(Hive Bee)
12-16-03 18:23
No 477197
I don't think english is his first language, he's spanish speaking I think. He tries hard.
Gonzo, you can probably use a gas hot plate if you use a saucepan. hydrogen iodide isn't flammable.
(Newbee)
12-16-03 23:38
No 477253
rhodium plz be cool!!!!:)
man i just dont have money right now to buy anything. I have a life too u know? ;)
spectralshift, mate thats what ive been using bro...gas stove...but running gas 24 hours dont seem a good ideia...besides the cash it will cost IM NOT 24 hours at home so...
anyway i managed to make a 4 hours reflux today.ehehehe
well i didnt finish yet but from what i got i can say that the yellow reaction fluid was the cleanest ive got till today...and it wasnt necessary to boil...it was clear with a yellow tint..lovely...
Ive been following the "curbs nano procedure"... today i made it like this:
2 g E
4 g I
2 g P
Still i dont understand one thing as I pointed on some post before:
when adding the basic solution to the nonpolar/yellow fluid, it precipitates something...first question: is this precipitate composed by Meth and others or its just the Meth???
So our objective is that this precipitate goes up by adding more basic sol and completly dissolve in nonpolar???
cant do it...adding more base but there are allways 3 layers...clear in the bottom together with table salt, the precipitate and the nonpolar...I then add more nonpolar but still nothing...well decided to pull 3 times with fresh nonpolar and combine those. Washing it right now...so wait for some news!:)
PS: ganzas=joints :)))
(Hive Bee)
12-17-03 00:45
No 477271
Your best bet is to look at the methods that bees use now. use the search engine. Good tips for the A/B can be found in a thread by geezmiester. nowadays unless you are willing to read and dedicate a little time, you wont get any speed.
mid
http://www.flashback.se/archive/my_probl
(Hive Addict)
12-17-03 02:22
No 477289
For the price it costs to buy a box of pills, a coffee maker can be bought at the thrift store.
"Set it and forget it!"
Peace of the RXN
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
12-17-03 03:03
(Rated as: redundant)
(Stoni's sexual toy)
12-17-03 10:33
No 477368
> Ive been following the "curbs nano procedure"...
Don't!!! Add water! Right at the beginning, and don't let the water be the last ingredient you add! But don't add too much, roughly the same amount as pfed should work ok.
> Still i dont understand one thing as I pointed on some post before:
> when adding the basic solution to the nonpolar/yellow fluid, it
> precipitates something...first question: is this precipitate
> composed by Meth and others or its just the Meth???
That's inorganic shit, sodium phosphates and sodium iodide etc. That's why you need to add more water before you filter out the rP, and then DO AN A/B before basifying!
For such a small reaction you can also use a candle to provide heat. But if you cannot afford a simple, used hot plate for 5 bux then I doubt you will be getting far.
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.
http://www.antiwar.com
(Newbee)
12-17-03 20:33
No 477439
1 box of pills containing 1.2g Pfed costs 1.43€...
Osmium mate i didnt said I WOULDN'T buy a hotplate...right now its impossible...but I doubt I can find a 5 bux plate here
where i live...anyway i dont want to go THAT far...I want to thank u for responding my question...it was a relief hearing what u said...I also thought that "turning to brown after some time" was shit...but its like that...the more u read the more doubts u have...and after hearing that "u can actually see" the meth i was afraid that i might be tossing away the product.
when u say "do an A/B before basifying" u mean washing the diluted reaction fluid with nonpolar right???...yes thats missing. i keep forgeting that.
I will continue to post here my future reactions.
ok thx to u all.
(Stoni's sexual toy)
12-17-03 20:47
No 477440
> when u say "do an A/B before basifying" u mean washing the diluted
> reaction fluid with nonpolar right???...
Exactly.
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.
http://www.antiwar.com
(Newbee)
12-23-03 12:51
No 478650
hi guys.
well swim is preparing for some longwetreflux. but he has to wait a little more.
In the meantime and having a small quantity of the percurssors around, he decided he should be doing the fast reaction once more so he can get something to smoke for the comin days.
Swig didnt want this reaction to be the perfect reaction
(Osmium, Rhodium and all the other long wet reflux advisers: I KNOW AND IM SURE U ARE RIGHT ABOUT IT.)
Reaction was performed using:
1.5g E (not the cleanest ive used till now.)
3g I
3.5g RP (resused - swig gathered 10 of all the filters and gathered this 3.5g RP which was acid/acetone/water cleaned)
4 drops (can anyone give me a water drops=ml relation plz?)
All went pretty well. No flask fires. first part was great but i noticed no yellowing, well not as much as the other times, flowing from the walls of the bottle...strange...Used a 40 cm vinil hose this time...and not much gas being produced too...2x strange...Start Heating after 27 minutes I think when all was liquidified...started refluxing after sometime and i must say that surely the hose was somehow humid caz by the 45 minutes mark i checked bottle and i never saw the shit so liquid...(hmmm well i guess in one hour it shoulndt be complete - i thought)...decided to boil for some time (hours)...but received a phone call and a friend is comin!!shit must hurry!!! didnt boil for a hour but only for 50 minutes, shut heat and come back 30 minutes later having all shit settled and almost room temp. Flask was real clean...really i never saw an end reaction like this one...i could actually see the yellow/gold liquid above the phosphorous...doubled that with dwater and shaked a lot. filtered and all RP comin out....reaction vessel pretty cleaned.
Did the actual procedure with the adition of a nonpolar wash of the fluid prior to adding base(Osmium I remebered it this time!urra!:)) ...the light yellow vanished and gave place to a clear like water solution. basified too much i think (careless)...turned somewhat solid which was more diluted (hardly) with more dwater...well its better to continue later as friends are comin by.
Shit settled for 6 hours or more...cant real recall that now.
extrated with minimal water (1/4 of the nonpolar quant.). microwave to almost dry and acetone added like allways i do.
Very fine glass pieces that turned to white and flufy and weighted 0.8g (never yielded above 0.4-0.5g). Really good looking and burns clean (SWIG NEVER HAD CRYSTALS BURNING CLEAN...even from very white shit....he never performed recristalization thou...)but this was really good loooking shit and leave no residue on teh foil. I was happy.
now comes the bad part:
- Or SWIG is completely imune to meth by now...:)))))))
- Or this is someother shit that is white, burns and even has a similar taste, more agressive i think, but that doesnt put u high.
SIMPLY IT DOESNT ALTER UR MIND.
What can it be?
(I dont have any chem back ground nor im into this so deep that i can discuss this but i guess since p2p can be a byproduct maded with this reduction...how many reall toxic products can u have with a fail reaction???swig has tried this shit yesterday...still here...alive...didnt felt any shit...good or bad...)
thx guys.
(Hive Addict)
12-23-03 16:26
No 478670
Clear case of 50%+ unreacted....
Bees should really learn to cook longer...
Peace of the RXN
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
(Newbee)
12-23-03 16:57
No 478674
u are right...ive learned that not by experience but rather by hearing all u saying that and i tend to believe u :)
but what really impresses me is the fact that this shit doesnt leave any trace of residue...it burns...turns cristal to somekind of oil that quickly disapear leaving nothing...all other "meth" swig made allways left black residue...but made me awake:)
this shit i made now doesnt do anything like it...in fact its completely inactive.
- What poisons can be achived with a fail reaction? (if it was a bad poison i will be dead by now??woulnt I???it has passed 2 days allready since i smoked a few shots of that shit)
- ... or that burns and leave no residue???anyway if i made other thing as it seems i did it, also seems i did it correctly since no residue left upon burning!ahahah:)) my pseudo isnt that clean too!:)
This is about some post ive read about ppl who end with white shit too but not meth...but every message about white being produced almost all of this cases the shit didnt burn so i decided that one more about "white non meth that burns" post would be benefic...feel free to discord as i really dont know what is good or bad posting here (language turns into a BIG FUKIN obstacle sometimes)...my problem anyway.
THX & PEACE
PS: when SWIG was a little child all he wanted to be when a grownup man was:
- locomotive driver
- test pilot
- Chemistry engineer
I guess i should have followed the third...or else i wouldnt be here posting these stupid questions over and over and...:)))))
(Hive Bee)
12-23-03 17:03
No 478675
(can anyone give me a water drops=ml relation plz?)
1ml is generally considered as 25drops. I've found it varies from 25 to 27 drops.
There is only one thing I can't tolerate and that's intolerance!
(Newbee)
12-23-03 17:14
No 478676
is it???
ahahah I WAS completely way out of that...and to say that I thought it would be around 6 drops...ahahahha...
knowlegje of how things really look...how much is much....well i cant really express myself well sometimes...sorry but thanks for awnsering that question man!thx.
"Foda-se!!...porque e que nao falamos todos a mesma lingua?"
"Fuck!...why dont we speackl all the same universal language?"
(Newbee)
12-23-03 18:32
No 478686
You are not taking the bees' advice of cooking longer seriously enough. she replies because she isnt a chemist either and like you, didn't take the time seriously enough. Only she was never so stubborn as to stick with it longer than a few warnings that came from knowledgeable bees. yes, you had a reaction. but only to the heat applied. the reaction you are looking for is among the ingredients with the heat acting only as a element to speed things along. 50 minutes? come on. there are better ways to play with yourself. sucking in toxic substances isn't one of them. COOK LONGER.
There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion- Francis Bacon
(Hive Addict)
12-23-03 18:46
No 478690
The bigger they are the harder they fall
In the past when the graduated measuring device couldn't bee found, Ibee's taken his plain old Household eyedropper and a plain old household cough syrup measuring cup which has ml and oz.
Dropped the drops in til it reached the ml line....
20drops = 1ml
And the first return that came up while googling the search term "drop to mililiter conversion"(even spelled wrong
wasFinal Answers (http://home.att.net/~numericana/answer/
I scrolled down to the first smiley I could find and had the answer
hehehee!How many drops are in a milliliter?
Note : Due to the two "li" syllables, the incorrect spelling "mililiter" is more common than the wrong spelling "milimeter". The standard SI prefix is "milli", so it's "milliliter", not "mililiter"... This note should make search engines deliver this page to anybody with a "mililiter" query who may be surprised to have so few pages to choose from! We apologize for quoting the wrong spelling "mililiter" 4 times here.
In either the US (Winchester) or the UK (Imperial) system of liquid measures, a drop is another name for a minim and there are 480 of these in a fluid ounce.
That's your first answer: if you have a volume in ounces, multiply by 480 to have the number of drops in it. However, since the US and UK ounces are slightly different, a drop is about 0.0616 cc in the US and 0.0592 cc in the UK.
The so-called metric drop is exactly 0.05 cc (20 metric drops to a cubic centimeter, or milliliter ).
Similar distinctions hold for teaspoons : A teaspoon is 1/6 of a fl oz (about 4.929 cc in the US and 4.7355 cc in the UK). So, there are exactly 80 drops to a teaspoon (in either the Imperial or the Winchester system). If you have a volume expressed in teaspoons, multiply by 80 to have the number of drops.
The metric teaspoon is slightly larger (5 cc) and the metric drop slightly smaller (0.05 cc) than the nonmetric counterparts, so there are exactly 100 metric drops in a metric teaspoon.
In a cubic centimeter or milliliter (cc, ml, or mL), there are exactly 20 metric drops and about 16 Winchester drops or 17 Imperial drops (more precise values being 16.23 and 16.89 respectively).
Note that all of the above are conventional values, which are only loosely related to the results you would actually get by using a thin dropper. So, don't be disappointed at the lack of "accuracy" if you do.
So there ya have it!
Peace of the RXN
Have FUN-Bee SAFE
(exotic beauty)
12-23-03 22:28
No 478720
just download this little neat conversion app:
http://www.joshmadison.com/software/conv
Free Speech Free Choice
(Newbee)
12-23-03 23:11
No 478723
Lamb...thx for ur advice! I dont plat with my self that often...even if i do when i do it im conscient of the danger.i am aware seriouly! but WTF! drugs are like that and when u are makin them without knowing what u doing then the luck/bad luck factor is very high. i say this coz when a person knows whats his doing like when u work (ur job) u have responsabilities and dont go to forums asking dumb questions...and why??because u KNOW what u are doing, u learned, some by others like here but defenetaly this isnt the case...
anyway i can only thannk u and feel free to post in my threads whenever u feel necessary. Please!
aztec...mate, u just beated me with that one!
i have that program allready for sometime and i use it very much in my job. defenately i dont work with volumes!:)))and now i see the fukin "drop" here! ahahah...sorry again folks.
I can only thank you all very much specialy to wareami for such informative and long post. the program does it all but knowing whats behind, the math, what ancient ppl, scientits had discovered doesnt hurt anyone and can only do good!cheers!
thx and peace and plz have the very best time for this holiday time aproaching."sempre a bombar!"
PS: To moderatores: plz excuse this poor english speling. Im sorry for giving "the hive" some sort of bad image.
01-10-04 16:55
(Rated as: insignificant)
(Newbee)
01-27-04 14:42
No 484856
swig decided to post this dream as it was one of the best dreams he had in a while. Hes been passing sometime with lower yields, more because he was trying new stuff to modify the method he was applying before. So as u might guess lots of new changes and sometimes repeating stuff as he initially started but now with a better technique and understanding.
Ok i will try to underline here the major improve factors.
1- PFed -
Ok after several shit trying to follow what all are doing here he decided that to much shit was done but the yields were suffering or to expensive coz lots of solvents involved.
method as follow:
1-entire pills into the glass container. at least 60 pills at the same time.
2-using allways the some solvent used on previous pseudo washings. this solvent is in reality 2 solventes.
They are (writting here exactly what one can read in the container regarding english language):
-Turpentine (CAS nº 8006-64-2)
-White Spirit (CAS nº 64742-88-7)
boiling in microwave. 1 minute max power. rest 15 seconds. do this more or less till its boiling. Let it really boil. no problem. Im saying this coz in the beginning SWIG was kinda afraid of this kind of boils. There isnt such problem but plz beware not to caramelize it. do a good amount of boil but pay attention.
-decant this and PLZ keep it for reuse. Add acetone to clean this. decant and this acetone should be keeped so it can be used as the same way.
-Add 2 or 3 times the height with etanol (metanol seems equal thou its been while since i used methanol but i think its he same more centigram less centigram who really fukin cares?)
-put in freezer for some speed or let it stay at room temp undisturbed. covered preferably ;) allow 3 hours or less if u are going for a nano. u can extract the rest later after the first nano.
- filter using cotton balls on neck of funnel and a coffe filter.
- put liquid in a dish and take to the microwave. Put on max till boiling then use a lower setting,if by any chance some bee outhere as a identrical equip. to mine then do like this:
phase1 - 5:00 @ power 7
phase2 - 12:00 @ power 3
repeat this loop as necessary.
. how my microwave works???well my "potency" swithches if i dial in keypad like "potency button" then "number 7"...well this potency isnt really about giving like 850*0.70%=595 Watts...well it doesnt work nothing like this...you arent reducing the power but reducing the time which maximum power is working. For example this microwave wokrs like this (numbers arent accurate but give u what u need to understand):
full power - allways "on"...850 watts till u push off.
...
power 7 - 20 seconds full power+ 20 seconds no power cycle.
...
power 2 - 8 seconds on + 32 seconds off cycle and so on.
...
it has an addintional feature which is : I can sellect 2 heating phases at one time: for example 5 minutes @ full power then after these 5 minutes passes automatic to power 3 for 10 minutes for example. its a good micro mainly because it was 50 dol brand new....(i have to buy another...this was for food but im not much at house right now so...:)))
This was only to say that u should boil alcool away but decresing the heat or u will end with burned shit which takes like 5 seconds to completly fuck the all batch.
-IODINE - After using the HCL+H2O2 method swig decides to revert to the H2SO4+Bleach like in rhodium site. changes are: 6.5% iodine per small bottle and 90 ml (3 uni.) instead of 100 ml.
Now SWIG has a doubt here...hes missing the maths here.
in rhodium site:
100 ml 5% iodine , 100 ml water, 5 ml H2SO4 96%, 24 ml bleach.
me:
90 ml 6.5% iodine, 90 ml water, 8-10 ml h2so4 98%, 24ml bleach
i didnt make any calcs. i use it. good yield but not 100%. can we get the 100%? what adjustments can be made to my quantities?
- RP comin from MB and was reused and maybe 15% of it was new.
REACTION:
material: gas stove, little but thick 60 ml bottle, 17 cm (didnt really paid much attention to meaures here) hose, ballon at one end and a sand bath with a identical little bottle with some water just to check when im close to the 100º C.
1.5 g PFED, 2.5 g I, 3.5 gr RP.
reaction took like 1 one hour to start. Since the fires in the flask SWIG is now scared with this type of yield killer so its better to take more time to start then burn the all shit.
A total of 10 drops of water were used (6 in the beggining 4 after 2 hours)
bettween ice bath and some heating the reaction as started and first phase has gone without any violence. it took some 25 minutes.
In this time water in the other bottle never boiled.
After heating was turned 25 minutes passed, 4 drops of water on and the cooking proceed for another 2 hours. so from putting reagents in the bottle and finishing it tooked 4 hours.
did the next procedure of filetring, washing and used Boiling nafta to extract. Tritate using HCL. the normal procedure and ended up with very glassy shit that burns leaving just a minor black point and that the totally the weight of 1 gr.
never yielded like this.
Important thing swig learned - 60 ml vessel is defenately the apropriate size (not 125 bor 250 that SWIG was using) and not having a fast 1st phaze (ice bath)
Peace and some ganza
(Hive Bee)
03-24-04 09:29
No 497007
hi people.
ok SWIG has been preparing himself for the LWR. Condition are still not met so he decided to do a non-LWR reaction this time. He reacted 3gPFed using 5gLGI and 3gRP. added 6 drops of water. let it react slow to liquify then added 0.4 ml water heat up till 70ºC let it run for one hour...then added more 0.4ml water and push heat to 150º measured on the sand. let it for 1 more hour...not going to write every procedure since this post is not about the reaction himself but on effects.
well shit is active but peculiar he told me...for the first time SWIG can eat...he smoked a line at midnight...its 08:20 now and still no need to smoke more (he's working now)...but the peculiar shit is that SWIG can eat...never felt this way and he's thinking what the hell happened this time???not that he's furious about eating but really its weird....for him its actually good coz its his only concern regarding other people working there....all other times before food taste like cement he salientates...and people at work might notice diferent behavior as they all lunch together...his only concern is that...today no fukin worries as he can eat.
can u experienced bees feel this sometimes???ive read a post by "amalgamum" - easy shards" (i think ive spelled it correctly) where he mentions identical situation.
why is this???is it ramdom??? (i bet that if he reacts the same way HE MIGHT not get equal results)