12-06-03 00:55
No 474969
Hi
Swik's dad purchased 9 boxes of pills containing pseudo sulfate (total 14gms). The pills were ground to a fine powder, then added to 600mls of distilled water.... HALT! The water went like wet paper mache and could not be filtered.
Apart from heating the solution (dunno if this will work yet), can anyone suggest anything else that will help with the extraction procedure.
Any help or input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
(Hive Bee)
12-06-03 02:09
No 474979
Dry it out and start over. Remember just because it feels dry doesn't mean it is. This is not a garaunteed fix and you may have to chalk it up to a lesson experienced/learned. Unfortunately most of the pills avail today will react in this maner, especially if heated when wet. Check these posts to learn a bit more.
Post 421767 (wareami: "The Egull & IDEA Methods", Stimulants)
Post 468062 (ahgreich: "The Tetra Trap: Your Route to Clean Pseudo!", Stimulants)
read also the entries under "Pill Extraction" at the FAQ top of the Stimulants forum
Post 408293 (Rhodium: "The Stimulants Forum FAQ", Stimulants)
good luck!
(Stranger)
12-06-03 03:43
No 474992
No way it'll take too long and the effectiveness is questionable.
you see, what you've done is activated and hydrated all that hydrogel and cellulose in the pills around a good portion of pfed molecules, just as the pill lab-nerds planned.
you need to relax right now and leave it where it is, the cops aren't comin. Or your going to fail and sink-hole the lot.
so.. im not very good at visuallising 9 boxes and 600ml of water with an unknown quantity of cellulose and hydrogels, how wet is it?
I know, scoop that thick top layer of jelly/paper mache out using a soup ladle.
You now have "beaker" A containing GUP/powder on the bottom and relatively clear water.
You have beaker B containing your jelly globules and a small degree of water you couldn't avoid scooping up with the ladle.
They BOTH contain pfed, remember this. Most of it is probably in beaker A...or did the mache pretty much take up the entire 600ml from the start?
(Hive Bee)
12-06-03 04:04
No 474995
I would probably just do a A/B extraction you need to turn it HCL anyways, don't know how much junk will follow through with it though
There is a thin line between genius and insane
(Stranger)
12-06-03 04:31
No 474998
i would too but a bit later...
oh yeah, the pills are probably using orange, but you can still fuck them up fully... just settle down and discuss everything you observe.
9 boxes is mad man, play your cards right. discuss.
(Stranger)
12-06-03 07:09
No 475016
Hi guys,
thanks for all the prompt and also informative replies.
weaz1dls thanks for the links, swik spoke to his old man on the phone and he is going to dry the mass out.
spectralshift, yep the whole solution was like gel. Swik said to him "oh um I would probably try doing 2 or so boxes first..." Anyway.
unionpacific - could caustic soda (NaOH) be added to this jelly solution to form freebase e? Cos that would be the next step in an a/b extraction.
ALSO, this person has a flask and water cooled condensor.... could the jelly solution be added to the flask, and heated and condensed in to a clean jar??? Swik would like to think that this would leave all the other rubbish behind...
If not swik would say the next step would be to wash the dried pill mass, using some of the links posted by weaz1dls and go for round two.
thanks again everyone
(Of Counsel)
12-06-03 13:47
No 475069
The pill gakkers are way ahead of you, Kris. I really suggest you review the extraction technique threads and read the comments about using water to extract pseudo from pills these days. Waterless extraction techniques were not created for academic reasons, they were created to deal with water-activated encapsulators, which hold your pseudo hostage. You will get some of the pseudo if you base it with NaOH now. You will get much more if you dry the pill mass first, very dry, then proceed with the basing. The main thing you will encounter at this point is horrible yields.
I might suggest you pursue VideoEditor's Straight to Bee procedure for these pills and either react the freebase pseudo or dissolve the freebase crystals in fresh solvent and gas for the HCl form.
mostly harmless
(Stranger)
12-06-03 15:07
No 475082
best of luck drying out all those hydrated cells.
your better off filling it with water in a saucepan so you have a thin layer of the jelly and a massive disproportionately large layer of water beneath, so that eventually the great majority will have diffused to the water layer.
Also, if you use alcohol instead...
So you have 20% water and 80% alcohol, and when you add to this table salt, it will displace the pfed from the gells and water by forcing it in to the alcohol, where the table salt isn't too soluble at all.
(Hive Bee)
12-07-03 13:03
No 475252
all that time spent trying to resurrect your dead jesus would be better spent reading about how to avoid pontious pilate in the first place. buy more pills and start over once you have a plan.
(Stranger)
12-07-03 23:00
No 475377
Hi
Swik spoke to his old man recently and he claims that he got it out???? All 19gms of it???? WTF Swik said, "there shoulda only been 14 in there. Anyway will post when Swik fins out more info.
Thanks guys
seeyas
(Stranger)
12-08-03 00:35
No 475393
Hi
Swik spoke to his old man again... this was the procedure(????)
The solution was heated, clumps formed on the top, the clumps were scooped out and dissolved in metho, the metho was boiled down to almost nil, then some water was added, then a sodium hydroxide solution was added to ph to +13, srait after HCL was added to bring ph back to 7, then apparently this was evapped to leave 19gms of crystals (max should have been 14).
He claims it smells like pseudo; but if you ask Swik, the whole procedure makes NO sense. The person that 'helped' him claims that thats how he does sulfate all the time. When asked "what about the 'extra' shit" this person replied "it doesnt matter, it will be left behind after the steam distillation".
Its got Swik buggered, he would NEVER use a procedure like the one mentioned.
Thanks and Sorry to the guys who helped, Swik made these suggestions but apparently its all there (and the rest). Anyway Swik will leave a post when the rxn f*cks up.
ok seeyas
(Stranger)
12-08-03 05:06
No 475418
Why run something that you know isn't right....?
Impatience...or inexperience?
That's no way to get yer feet wet.
19g out of an expected 14g is clear indication that 5g of gaak needs further attention and removal.
Running as is amounts to a waste of precious precursors. IMHO
Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin
(Stranger)
12-08-03 06:47
No 475438
swim uses isopropyl 91% dried using the method in the hive with epsom salt,has no problems with gakk.Also instead of filtering try syphoning when the junk settles to the bottom you won't lose that much E. and you won't get any junk in there.
12-08-03 07:09
(Rated as: have you noticed the "edit post" function?)
(Stranger)
12-09-03 01:30
No 475597
"Why run something that you know isn't right....?
Impatience...or inexperience?"
ENERGIZER_BUNNY
Yeah you're right except if you read it again you will notice that Swik isnt 'running' it.
(Stranger)
12-09-03 05:10
No 475624
Well....the bunny learned alot from the tort-us about patience and taking it slow.
He was merely passing on those wise lessons learned and may have jump to conclusions by the following statement:
Anyway Swik will leave a post when the rxn f*cks up.
But he's happy that his assumption isn't the case with SWIK!
Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin
12-11-03 00:56
(Rated as: redundant)