01-06-04 03:53
No 480728
Well I thought I'd give this a subject that a newbee could search for, and actually get an informative result.
I had a search for dry acetone and got plenty of info, however no-one seems to agree with anyone else.
I understand that the basic procedure for drying acetone is to oven bake your epsom salts for x hours at x degrees and then add x grams to your x litres of acetone and then let it sit for x hours to dry it out. Then filter the salts out.
Can somebody pleeeeeeease help me with the x's and give a bit of general info?
Thanks
Kris
(Hive Bee)
01-06-04 08:40
No 480756
below are some links to various data sources on drying of solvents after a short rave....
with epson salts bake at 350 for 3 hours or until there is no liquid at all and the salt has turned so "light and fluffy white , you'll make a million tonite...", then add oh let's say 10 g to each liter of acetone for oh....overnite... ,
it's actually somewhat "interactive"....
i.e. ya gotta figure how much h2o ya might have in yer solvent and then look at the h2o "absorption" capabilities of the particular drying agent you are using.....
the above recommendations are a good starting point though....
and now the links...
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http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/safety/solvd.h
hope ya can use the info.....
"remember little ones, love is real,not fade away, so pass some ammo on today......"
(Hive Addict)
01-19-04 20:14
No 483454
kris, not sure if this is of any help, depending on what your using the dry acetone for, if it is to remove the paracetamol/anti histamine by boiling pill mass etc, i have a simpler way, so you dont have to do all the baking and fukn around.
get some de mineralised water, add 5 percent metho, put in freezer let sit for few hours.
take pill mass, soak it in ->shake like shyte->filter->evap done
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(Newbee)
01-20-04 11:49
No 483589
swim cant seem tofind those epsom salts anywhere here.
SWIM is restricting is percursor and other shits needed to internet search and buying...
he really wants start decresing the shit bought by himself to a point where actually all shit is aquired in internet...its like a game...so 2 questions are presented here:
- What if SWIM use CaCl instead of Epsom Salts?whats the right procedure???
-what the fuck are those Epsom Salts used for??in what type of store can swim look for???
in hardware store swim uses and in that corner where all anti humidity is, he can only bring or Calcium chloride or silica...so any help would be apreciated.
thx in advance.
peace and some ganza!
(Newbee)
01-20-04 12:09
No 483595
GANZAS -
Epsom salts are available at the grocery store, probably in the health or medicine section.
You can put them in your bath; they dissolve. I think its good for your skin.
Dissolve some in a glass of water for constipation.
Can be used in soil to correct some deficencies.
People using speed IV that has been cut with epsom salts will get an 'ass rush', i.e. they feel like they need to shit. Thats the constipation thing working hehe.
anyway
seeya
(Chief Bee)
01-20-04 12:21
No 483601
People using speed IV that has been cut with epsom salts will get an 'ass rush', i.e. they feel like they need to shit. Thats the constipation thing working hehe.
Incorrect.
The laxating properties of orally ingested sulfates depend on the body retaining more water in the intestines due to the osmotic pressure excerted by the salt present. Therefore, injecting some of it IV would not have any such effect, it could only make you thirsty, if anything.
The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders
(Newbee)
01-20-04 22:42
No 483752
Thanks Rhodium
Well there ya go, its an urban legend. Next time someone tells me about the RectumRush I can tell 'em that they're FULL OF SHIT. Or should I say that they'd be STILL full of shit.
I was just reading a PDF http://www.cmc.qld.gov.au/library/CMCWEB
(Head Coach)
01-21-04 00:03
No 483763
Regarding drying Acetone by way of CaCl....It is not recommended according to the text Purification of Laboratory Chemicals...due to the formation of additional compounds. And as for MgS04...It is not recommended either as they state that it is a inefficient drying agent. Their recommedation is to use CaS04(Drierite drying agent). ...Acetone was shaken with drierite (25g/L) for several hours before it was decanted and distilled from fresh drierite(10g/L) through an efficient column, maintaining atmospheric contact through a drierite drying tube. I would imagine for most purposes that shaking acetone while in contact with Drierite for a short period of time and then decanting would be suffice for most uses. Good Luck and for more drying info see a recent post....drying agents and their compatibilities (I think that is what I called it) ...the post covers basically everthing that is stated in the above mentioned text....just reworded slightly, so I didn't just copy it word for word. Pyrex out of drying agents ;-)
Yeah and if ya don't PAID me well, I won't INFORMANT you of the answers you are seeking ;-)
(Hive Bee)
01-21-04 00:47
No 483772
A Policeman once told a friend of mine
ICE (aka CRYSTAL) is meth of a very high purity and crystalised nature. Usually found as clear diamonds (size of a small pea); commanding high prices and having low availability. It is produced from good precursers, good technique and recrystalisations. The effects are smoother and more pronounced the 'SPEED'
'SPEED' is meth of lower quality and crystal structure. Usually found as a white powder; having lower street prices but much higher availability. It is usually produced by under-parr precursers, combined with a lack of thorough cleaning and recrystalisations. Its effects are more 'smacky' and shorter lived.
Both 'ice' and 'speed' forms of meth have large markets. Based on the resources and markets available to them; cooks or cartels decide which they wish to produce. 'ICE' requires more laborious procedures and yield-loss; but gets higher street price. 'SPEED' can be produced quicker and in larger quantity and yield; and sells more (kg wise) but for a much lesser price.
Asia ice is usually a tad undercooked (yellow) and highly crystalised (size of finger tip). Another majority is produced interstate and shipped in. Another majority is produced by the better biker cartels or their contract cooks. Another majority is produced from naughty little boys...
(Newbee)
01-21-04 12:24
No 483859
Biotechdude
Thanks
Is there any reason why the home chemist couldnt make 'ice' by doing something like this -
Start with really clean RP/I2/Pseudo
Do a nice LWR
Wash post rxn fluid till very clean
Steam distill
Titrate oil into dh20
evap w/ acetone flashing
recrystalise slowly, maybe twice?
Would that pass as 'ice'?
Or have i missed the point...
(Newbee)
01-21-04 13:07
No 483865
hey i used cacl with acetone once and to much shit in final product...anyway my technique is bad and equipment is caveman grade :) so i quit drying acetone and others...i would give the mg sulphate a try if i could find a equivalent shit here...
my only use for the CaCl is to dry/storage the iodine.
thx for the info kris.
peace and some ganza!
(Hive Bee)
01-21-04 14:26
No 483874
Start with really clean RP/I2/Pseudo
Do a nice LWR
Wash post rxn fluid till very clean
Steam distill
Remove water layer from distillate. Add NP to dissolve meth-fb.
Wash NP/meth-fb with cold salt water, warm NaOH solution, then DH20. Add water THEN...
Titrate oil into dh20
evap w/ acetone flashing
recrystalise slowly, maybe twice?
You'll have some kickin ass gear; better than 99% of that available. Just stay on the low pro cos word will spread quickly...
(Stranger)
01-21-04 19:46
No 483926
injecting magnesium sulphate does have a noticable effect, it seems to be a combination of an overflowing/rushing sensation in the head and a heat rush in the lower abdominal region. Different salts have different effects, sodium chloride, for example makes your head feel quite hot and raises overall body temperature. All of these effects are caused by a temporary and massive jump in concentrations of these ions, which facilitate certain kinds of nerve signals. Magnesium in particular would be synergistic with methamphetamine as magnesium is critical to rapid and focussed transport of nerve signals.
I used to find that the combination of the yellow crank shite that was cut about 1:10 with magnesium sulphate (it was often a bit wet looking from the HI salts i'm guessing), it gave this MASSIVE headrush, it was like the most utter mindnumbing blast of ecstasy, me and my friends used to often spend the first 20 minutes so overwhelmed by the intensity of the rushes we could barely speak...
i think that's why so many people get so addicted to that particular type of gear, the rush is something i would think to be similar to the headrush from cocaine, maybe not the same, but similar in intensity and duration. There was also often a massive dropoff to a very painful comedown at about 3 hours into it... evil nasty comedown, which i found a mind trick to stop it being painful
oddly enough it was like the negative thoughts, thoughts involving resistance or distaste - and this applied to the pain itself as well, compounding on itself seemed to directly turn from a vaguely negative thought into an ache somewhere - but there seemed to be a way of turning them around by just accepting them rather than feeling some kind of distaste or annoyance. doing this caused me to have an immediate headrush and intense feeling of bliss. It was this that caused me to continue my interest in these compounds... pure material does not affect me the same way, however that's probably a good thing.... i can't really say... but i can say that the yellow cut crank would have killed my liver and kidneys slowly but surely if i kept using it.
okok i'm digressing. in conclusion, my experience shows that magnesium is mildly active with regard to causing headrushes, and this, combined with the effects of unreacted pseudo and iodoephedrine and p2p causes a very intense but short lived rush when injected. glucose is another common cut, and it will cause a rush too, and a converse crash which will compound with the amphetamine come-down.
cutting agents suck
(Of Counsel)
01-22-04 07:55
No 484022
I learned some time back from Jacked to leave a little Epsom Salts in the meth for the rush my IV user friends crave. The advice was for the women users' pleasure, and my experience bore out Jacked's advice as good. It takes very little of the salt to obtain the effect.
My question was how best to introduce a little bit of epsom salts into the meth? My answer came in the acetone used to rinse the meth with. I dry my acetone with nuked epsoms, broken by smashing in a coffee can, some of which are very fine particles. The finer particles tend to float in the acetone for a while, and some will float up into the acetone when the acetone is swirled even after it is dry. Decant the acetone while it still has some of the fine particles in it and save this to rinse the meth destined for your IV user friends. Shake it a little to insure and even distribution of the salt and rinse the meth with it. I am not suggesting you add very much salt to the meth.. .quite the contrary. You want to add very little. The method gives a consistent distribution of enough of the salt to give that crotch rush and head rush IV users crave.
Let the dust settle in the acetone before decanting and you have better and cleaner smoking dope. Leave a little of that salt in the acetone and you impart some rush for the IV users.
mostly harmless
(Hive Bee)
01-22-04 19:17
No 484107
kris_1108, place a heaped teaspoon of epsom salts in a small dish in the microwave for 3min on high.
when you get a white mass add it to your acetone.
break it up if you want but it won't make a difference your acetone will be dry.
Leave a chunk in the tin if you think it isn't too suspicious. If it hasn't dissolved by the second use, it's still dry.
Forget the oven trust me, the MgSO4 doesn';t even have to be totally anhydrous, its bullshit i read the same here at the hive myself a LONG time ago, see for yourself whos bullshitting.
(Stranger)
01-23-04 02:16
No 484167
ya i've watched it bake in the oven with the light on, a teaspoon or ten of it in a dish goes completely dry within about 30 minutes at 250 degrees C
(Hive Bee)
01-23-04 03:43
No 484170
It's a terrible waste of electricity and the environment.
(Newbee)
01-23-04 13:05
No 484241
Hi
Cool thanks guys. Next time I'll just 'nuke' 'em. I had the bastards in the oven for like three hours. Anyway after I dried them, they were crushed to a fairly fine powder and then put in a coffee jar and shaken like buggery (you know how hard you shake with mb strikers in a jar full of acetone? Yeah, that hard.) After that I added about 10gms to my remaining 600mLs of acetone and left it over night. Most of the powder when gluggy/chunky (I guess it had absorbed the water) and the other lillte bit stayed as a fine powder. This made me believe that I had added more than enough epsom salts to my acetone. After that they were filtered out and now I have dry acetone. I suppose.
(Hive Bee)
01-24-04 02:13
No 484342
Swix likes the idea of the microwave. Quicker and less suspect than the oven
Swix's most trusted friend came to the lab one day and looked in the oven and almost creamed himself.... Swix was drying a big ass pile of epsoms....the deadshit thought it was meth!.. Haha
<<sob!..sniffle...Swix wishes it WAS meth>>
(Newbee)
01-24-04 02:30
No 484343
swig uses teh microwave almost for everything. swig and any other bees living here can get a microwave, brand new, for 50 dol. swig use it to heat solvent to boiling point when cleaning pseudo....to evap water and alcool. I find it safe....some might disagree of course but who cares?...use it! its faster...but u have to keep an eye since it can burn your shit.
peace!
(Hive Bee)
01-24-04 04:00
No 484349
BTD, it's not a new idea, just wanted to clear that up.
But it's all that is required. See you can dry with epsom salts straight out of the box (still in this case a teaspoon may dehydrate 4ltrs, really) but it might take a bit more.
Also if you don't use a relatively dehydrated form, then you might get a TINY sulfate impurity.
Because if you use a hydrated form it will dissolve, and if you use anhydrous or a hepatahydrate it will remain a solid, but the solid will become a more hydrated form of the solid.
But in any case it isnt going to cause you any problems.
One other thing swims noticed about epsom salts is that you can dry it, leave it uncovered in the box and it will still be hard and brittle a week later. Not technically anhydrous, as in that whole mass consists of anhydrous MgSO4..but that it contains a lot of the dehydrated forms, the wetter near the surface of the mass.
I remember stressing about the same things. First it was 'oh ive gotta filter through epsom salts...oh and its been exposed to the atmosphere I should add some as well'
It's add dryish epsom, cover it or screw on a lid for good practice, if any solids remain by the time its poured or used, it's deadly dry.
anyway thats the end of that.
hehe gonzo!
(Stranger)
02-04-04 01:18
No 486311
but it must be possible to distill the aceton off the water,or is it too dangerous?
(Hive Bee)
02-04-04 01:48
No 486313
Me thinks that the dangers of that method and time it takes, would not outweigh the advantage of simply using epsom salts.
P.S. If one had the proper equip there would be little danger I assume, but for swim it would not be worth the trouble.
absorb what is useful, reject what is useless