Speed in US (->Phenylalanine) [ BMK in Europe] , Hive Stimulants
 
    bouncer 04-04-04 22:14
       <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=499127&page=29&view=&sb=&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">Speed in US (->Phenylalanine) [ BMK in Europe]</a> <br> <i title="This post has been downrated by the moderators">(Rated as: UTFSE!)</i> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499180"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="1"> </td> <td rowspan="1"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="1"> uktrials<br> <span title="Posting date">04-05-04 10:03</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="1">  </td> <td rowspan="1" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="1">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=499180&page=29&view=&sb=&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">Huh!</a> </b><br> <i title="This post has been downrated by the moderators">(Rated as: insignificant)</i> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499181"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> embezzler<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Addict</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-05-04 10:29</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499181]">No 499181</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">well</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> amphetamine or meth is scheuled and no matter where you make it or how. european speed is the same as us speed is the same as any other speed the routes may vary but the molecule is the same. methamphetamine is made from ephedrine in a clandestine setting or from the amination of p2p.<br><br>the sulfate or hcl bonded to the molecules are not the active ingredient(biologically) and are not that important. <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>chemically enhanced.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499186"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> <font color="#FF0033">Rhodium</font><br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Chief Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-05-04 11:10</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499186]">No 499186</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">European speed is NOT the same as US speed</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> <font color="blue">european speed is the same as us speed is the same as any other speed the routes may vary but the molecule is the same.</font color="blue"><br><br>That statement is not quite the truth. While 'speed' sold in the US almost always is methamphetamine, European stimulant users for one reason or another (UTFSE) prefer plain amphetamine, and hence what is sold as 'speed' there is commonly racemic amphetamine. <br> <span title="The signature"><hr><sup>The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders</sup></span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499188"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> embezzler<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Addict</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-05-04 11:15</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499188]">No 499188</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">i (mis?)understood the original post</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> i thought he meant that there was a difference molecularly between amphetamine in europe and amphetamine the us as a result of the route taken to the molecule(ignoring impurities). the street names are not a reliable indicator i didnt mean to misinform . <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>chemically enhanced.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499189"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> ChemoSabe<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Addict</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-05-04 11:17</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499189]">No 499189</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">Crappy Street product</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> Swim's buddy has only a very limited experience with Euro street products sold as "speed" but if what he did try was amphetamine sulphate he sais that in comparison to even the crappiest of the crappy cut-completely-to-hell meth it just plain sucks! <br><br>Now this alleged amphetamine sulphate was most likely all cut to hell too but that doesn't change the fact that it still sucks compared to the shittiest of shitty meth.<br><br>He just told me that he recommends steering clear of crappy street-sold products (meaning most or all of them) wherever you might happen to bee on the globe.<br><br>PS. Unless you are some sort of lung torture masochist don't even try vaporizing (smoking) anything that's a sulphate.<br><br>also the above comments are not really intended to be taken in a "meth vs amphetamine way" as I'm sure good clean amphetamine is not an overall "shitty" product. The comments are actually coming closer to say that more effect will be felt from average crappy US street meth than from average crappy Eurospeed. But also that in essence it's best to avoid either of the two. <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>alias Storkington Pinworm</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499191"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> embezzler<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Addict</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-05-04 11:24</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499191]">No 499191</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">comparing meth to amphetamine isnt fair</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> they are obviously different an so are their effects nonetheless you make a good point stay the fuck away from street stuff where possible. the best amphetamine isnt going to be as good as the best methamphetamine either <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>chemically enhanced.</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499378"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> aragorn<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-06-04 10:41</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499378]">No 499378</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">well said chemo sabe!</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> even the best european speed fresh out the kitchen (uncut raceamic amph.sulphate/HCL) isnīt much fun at all. SWIM couldnīt understand how someone could abuse amph. for recreational purposes. Itīs really similiar to a cup of coffee, it dopes ya up but without euphoria, really crappy. The tingling sensation experienced with high doses is something at least a bit enjoyable. Unlike with meth there is no fuckin downer on the world which could put you to sleep at T+24-48h after a sufficient dose (250mg-500mg raceamic amph.) Excessive doses benzos,barbs all worthless with this stuff!<br>Three days without sleep isnīt something SWIM would like to experience again!<br>IF someone could answer the question why meth hasnīt replaced amph in Europe please feel free to tell. <br>It was locally available in Hungary in `01-02 but mainly manufactured by small size kitchenlabs, it got instantly accepted by the local market but after several busts it was all over. Donīt know why the big east european labs donīt switch to ma. The profit margin is way higher and the additional step in their synths from P2P no big deal at all.<br>Maybe the quick and rigorous reaction of LE agencies in meth cases is one of the reasons.<br>The most fun stuff has dominated the drug market since the beginning so despite draconic legal repression and bad media coverage it should have found itīs way to the EU customers many years ago.<br><br>This topic seems to be one of the last big mysteries in the dope game. </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499570"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> josef_k<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-07-04 13:52</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499570]">No 499570</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">This has been discussed before here, and I...</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> This has been discussed before here, and I think the answer was that of tradition and the increased bother of making methylamine/N-methylformamide instead of using readily availible ammonia/formamide. Just isn't worth the extra work for them.<br><br>Also I don't understand all the complain of regular amphetamine, I think it is nice. However I haven't tried meth so who am I to judge <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="Smile" heigth="15" width="15">. </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post499576"></a><a name="last"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> Scottydog<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Addict</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">04-07-04 14:24</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [499576]">No 499576</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2">  </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">Substitution</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top">    </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> With all of the difficulty here in the US concerning complications with pill extraction and ever spreading legislation restricting pseudo at the point of purchase, I wouldn't be surprised if street cooks aren't already secretly substituting amphetamine for meth. <br><br>If they aren't already, who knows, they probably will start soon. That is of course until Mexico floods the market. Charlatans could probably get away with it for a minute.<br><br>Definately will agree with josef, pure d-amphetamine is some  potent shit in its own right. <br><br>I believe many people would choose "pure" d-amphetamine over 30% meth if given a side by side comparison. <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/crazy.gif" alt="crazy" title="Crazy" heigth="15" width="15"><br><br>Swim would... <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>Refuse/Resist</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> </body> </html>