<a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=511740&page=22&view=&sort=5&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">GUNBLUE/AMMONIA/IS THERE AN RXN?</a> (Rated as: UTFSE!) </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511740&Number=511740&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post511742"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> SQUIDIPPY (formless fortitude?) 06-05-04 22:33 No 511742 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> yes </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511742&Number=511742&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> Yes, yes, let's see if SWISD can recall; gun blueing Pfed charcoal ammonia salt And there's one other thing,........................hmmmmm,....Oh, yes, that's right, a magic wand, because that's the only thing that will produce meth from those ingredients. But, I will have to give it an A+, for the best, meth, urban myth, for many years running. But don’t feel too bad, I bought it for years myself! <hr>Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.-Mark Twain </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post511748"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> Xaja (Newbee) 06-05-04 22:58 No 511748 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> STOP YELLING FOR CHRISTS SAKES </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511748&Number=511748&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> Jeez, all that noise, and what for?? And please don't slam the door on the way out either... <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/shocked.gif" alt="shocked" title="Shocked" heigth="15" width="15"> <hr>***FriedPiper*** </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post511750"></a><a name="last"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> TURNTABLIST (Hive Bee) 06-05-04 23:04 No 511750 </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> Found this. </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511750&Number=511750&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> "GUNBLUE/AMMONIA/IS THERE AN RXN?" Can't make meth but you can blue a gun. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/kemays/formula.htm" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.geocities.com/kemays/formula.htm</a> Homemade Hot Blue Formula Courtesy of Blair Emory (my comments in brackets - KM) All "bluing" is really blacking. The blue shine is due to additional chemicals such as manganese that are added to the mix. They are usually less abrasion resistant than blacking and perforce are thinner to give the blue refraction. They are a lot fussier to do and the results vary more than straight blacking on different metal alloys and heat treatment in my experience. I generally use a lye, fertilizer mix that gives the hardest blacking I have ever seen and it so simple anyone can do it, plus the ingredients are available at the hardware store rather than paying UPS hazardous shipment fees. The mix ratio is 5 lb lye (sodium hydroxide) to 2 1/2 lb ammonium nitrate (fertilizer), to 1 gallon water. Grocery store lye and ammonium nitrate fertilizer (at least 30%). Make sure you are buying actual ammonium nitrate; many brands today are made from urea or some other source. Make sure to not use tap water. Buy distilled. [Note: I found Red Devil lye at Albertson's supermarket. I had to go to a feed & seed store to get the fertilizer. It may prove hard to find, but the country seed & feed stores can usually get it.] Mix out doors as lots (and I mean LOTS) of ammonia gas evolves and will rot your lungs out if you sniff it. Wear goggles as this stuff foams and bubbles like mad. Very violent exothermic reaction. Mix in a iron pail (not galvanized). Once mixed and operating the bath, there is no off gassing, but the vapors are corrosive so don't do it in your gun room or machine shop. Use plenty of ventilation. [I added water first, then added 1lb of lye and alternated with fertilizer. Add slowly to avoid boilover. Also, use a full face shield and a respirator that will filter out ammonia. I bought both of these at Home Depot.] After mixing, the solution will be over 100 degrees due to the heat of the reaction. Bath operates at 285 to 295 degree F. If you don't have a thermometer, heat until a sample part will just sizzle cold water. [I found a steel deep fry thermometer at Home Depot. Make sure the one you buy will reach the bottom of your pot. I bought an enameled 16 qt stock pot at Wal-Mart, and used a propane deep fryer kit.] Takes 15 to 45 min. depending on the steel and how dense a film you want. [I removed my gun after 20 minutes.] After you are done, take parts out, rinse in clean water, dry and oil. You are ready to go. If you don't like the depth of color after it's dry, (but before you oil it) just put it back in the bath and cook it some more. [Some of my parts had a soapy, waxy coating when removed. The slide & frame were coated with a fine red rust that I had to rub off.] Bath will do 10 to 15 jobs before you have to add about 1 lb lye to a 5 gal bath to make up for boil off. Add water as required to keep the concentrations correct, but this does not seem critical. You MUST add enough water at bath cool down, to more than make up for boil off or it will solidify and you can't re-melt easy. If you add too much, I will just boil off next time. [This stuff takes several hours to cool back down. Once it gets hot, it really stays hot.] Make sure the parts are clean. Any oil will ruin the bath and job. Boil parts in TSP, Oakite or such first. [I found some TSP at Home Depot. Be sure you have wiped away any water spots, or they will show up under the bluing.] Store in glass or plastic jugs between use, if it crystalizes , it is shot. You do not have to plug the bore as the magnitite film is harder than the steel and, if anything, should improve it. Possibly a little chemical milling too. I have made test coupons and put them in an open beaker of water for a month with no corrosion. Even light sanding will not break down the surface. Here is a photo of my bluing setup. This is all I've needed to blue several pistols. <img src="../picproxie_docs/000511740-bluing_setup.jpg" target="_blank"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> </body> </html>

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		SPEEDDOWNER 06-05-04 22:16				<a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Number=511740&page=22&view=&sort=5&Search=&vc=&new=&start=0&xrated=y&&URLForums=" title="Click here to show this downrated post">GUNBLUE/AMMONIA/IS THERE AN RXN?</a> <br> <i title="This post has been downrated by the moderators">(Rated as: UTFSE!)</i> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511740&Number=511740&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post511742"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> SQUIDIPPY<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">formless fortitude?</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">06-05-04 22:33</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [511742]">No 511742</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">yes</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511742&Number=511742&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> Yes, yes, let's see if SWISD can recall;<br><br>gun blueing<br>Pfed<br>charcoal<br>ammonia<br>salt<br><br>And there's one other thing,........................hmmmmm,...<wbr>.Oh, yes, that's right, <b><font color="red">a magic wand,</font color="red"> </b> because that's the only thing that will produce meth from those ingredients.<br>But, I will have to give it an A+, for the best, meth, urban myth, for many years running.<br>But don’t feel too bad, I bought it for years myself! <br> <span title="The signature"><hr>Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.-Mark Twain</span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post511748"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> Xaja<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Newbee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">06-05-04 22:58</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [511748]">No 511748</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">STOP YELLING FOR CHRISTS SAKES</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511748&Number=511748&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> Jeez, all that noise, and what for??<br><br>And please don't slam the door on the way out either... <img src="../forum/images/icons_lightgrey/shocked.gif" alt="shocked" title="Shocked" heigth="15" width="15"> <br> <span title="The signature"><hr><b>*FriedPiper*</b></span> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> <td align="left" valign="top" class="text_bg"> <img src="../forum/images/left_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td colspan="7"><a name="Post511750"></a><a name="last"></a></a> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"><img src="../forum/images/right_top.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td valign="top" align="center" rowspan="2"> TURNTABLIST<br> <i>(<span title="The user's title at the time of posting">Hive Bee</span>)</i><br> <span title="Posting date">06-05-04 23:04</span><br> <span title="Link to this post by using the markup [511750]">No 511750</span><br> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td rowspan="2" width="1" class="vert_ruler"> <img src="../forum/images/hr.gif" border="0" width="1" height="1"> </td> <td rowspan="2"> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="left" valign="top"> <b title="The subject of this post">Found this.</b> </td> <td class="text_bg" align="right" valign="top"> <a href="https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/favorites.pl?Cat=&option=add&number=511750&Number=511750&page=22&view=&sort=5&part=&vc=&new=&backto=showflat" title="Add this post to your bookmark list in your Private Area">Bookmark</a> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td colspan="2" valign="top" align="left"> <br> "GUNBLUE/AMMONIA/IS THERE AN RXN?" Can't make meth but you can blue a gun. <br><br><a href="http://www.geocities.com/kemays/formula.htm" target="_blank" title="Jump to this external site">http://www.geocities.com/kemays/formula.<wbr>htm</a><br>Homemade Hot Blue Formula<br>Courtesy of Blair Emory<br>(my comments in brackets - KM)<br><br>All "bluing" is really blacking. The blue shine is due to additional chemicals such as manganese that are added to the mix. They are usually less abrasion resistant than blacking and perforce are thinner to give the blue refraction. They are a lot fussier to do and the results vary more than straight blacking on different metal alloys and heat treatment in my experience. I generally use a lye, fertilizer mix that gives the hardest blacking I have ever seen and it so simple anyone can do it, plus the ingredients are available at the hardware store rather than paying UPS hazardous shipment fees. <br>The mix ratio is 5 lb lye (sodium hydroxide) to 2 1/2 lb ammonium nitrate (fertilizer), to 1 gallon water. <br>Grocery store lye and ammonium nitrate fertilizer (at least 30%). <b>Make sure you are buying actual ammonium nitrate;</b> many brands today are made from urea or some other source. Make sure to not use tap water. Buy distilled. [Note: I found Red Devil lye at Albertson's supermarket. I had to go to a feed & seed store to get the fertilizer. It may prove hard to find, but the country seed & feed stores can usually get it.] <br>Mix out doors as lots (and I mean LOTS) of ammonia gas evolves and will rot your lungs out if you sniff it. Wear goggles as this stuff foams and bubbles like mad. Very violent exothermic reaction. Mix in a iron pail (not galvanized). Once mixed and operating the bath, there is no off gassing, but the vapors are corrosive so don't do it in your gun room or machine shop. Use plenty of ventilation. [I added water first, then added 1lb of lye and alternated with fertilizer. Add slowly to avoid boilover. Also, use a full face shield and a respirator that will filter out ammonia. I bought both of these at Home Depot.] After mixing, the solution will be over 100 degrees due to the heat of the reaction. <br>Bath operates at 285 to 295 degree F. If you don't have a thermometer, heat until a sample part will just sizzle cold water. [I found a steel deep fry thermometer at Home Depot. Make sure the one you buy will reach the bottom of your pot. I bought an enameled 16 qt stock pot at Wal-Mart, and used a propane deep fryer kit.] Takes 15 to 45 min. depending on the steel and how dense a film you want. [I removed my gun after 20 minutes.] <br>After you are done, take parts out, rinse in clean water, dry and oil. You are ready to go. If you don't like the depth of color after it's dry, (but before you oil it) just put it back in the bath and cook it some more. [Some of my parts had a soapy, waxy coating when removed. The slide & frame were coated with a fine red rust that I had to rub off.] <br>Bath will do 10 to 15 jobs before you have to add about 1 lb lye to a 5 gal bath to make up for boil off. Add water as required to keep the concentrations correct, but this does not seem critical. <br>You MUST add enough water at bath cool down, to more than make up for boil off or it will solidify and you can't re-melt easy. If you add too much, I will just boil off next time. [This stuff takes several hours to cool back down. Once it gets hot, it really stays hot.] <br>Make sure the parts are clean. Any oil will ruin the bath and job. Boil parts in TSP, Oakite or such first. [I found some TSP at Home Depot. Be sure you have wiped away any water spots, or they will show up under the bluing.] <br>Store in glass or plastic jugs between use, if it crystalizes , it is shot. <br>You do not have to plug the bore as the magnitite film is harder than the steel and, if anything, should improve it. Possibly a little chemical milling too. I have made test coupons and put them in an open beaker of water for a month with no corrosion. Even light sanding will not break down the surface. <br><br>Here is a photo of my bluing setup. This is all I've needed to blue several pistols.<br><img src="../picproxie_docs/000511740-bluing_setup.jpg" target="_blank"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr class="text_bg"> <td align="left" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/left_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> <td valign="middle" align="center" colspan="7"> </td> <td align="right" valign="bottom"><img src="../forum/images/right_bottom.gif" border="0" height="12" width="9"></td> </tr> <tr class="page_bg"> <td colspan="9"> </td> </tr> </body> </html>