10-03-01 06:35
No 219707
Ok, its sort of cool... it's a single pill
setup. You have this tube that you drop your
"mix" in and put this rod over top of it. Then
you hit it with a hammer and a pill comes out.
I was wondering if in the mean time I could use
some asprins and crush em up and put my honey in there
and re press the pill so it will have the MCC, asprin,
lubricant and of course HONEY! Does that sound like a
soild idea or does the origional pressing ruin the
compressability of MCC?
THANKS!
Gott Mit Uns!
(Distinctive Doe)
10-03-01 15:40
No 219836
NO!!!!
I just read an article that salicylic acid increases the Hyperthermic effect of MDMA. Aspirin will probably do the same, use some pressed vitamin C tabs(might not have enough binder) and a little bit of melatonin(I just read that melatonin helps prevent METH neurotoxicity). You could add a little tylenol to this, not to much tho.
Do Your Part To Win The War
(Pioneer Researcher)
10-03-01 16:10
No 219845
Furthermore there are people that is sensitive to aspirin. Sacarose, sugar, is a good mix, but I guess you need methylcelulose or this kind of things to maek a pill. I don't know.
(Chief Bee)
10-03-01 18:05
No 219872
No tylenol either! I believe MDMA and Tylenol competes for the same liver CYP enzyme...
(Stranger)
10-03-01 21:40
No 219931
Many thanks for the warnings! But my main question
still stands...
Assuming the "active ingredient" in the store bought pill
will _NOT_ react negativley with the honey...
Will the pill come out correctly? Or will the
MCC have lost its compressability. Like some types
of acustical foam I have used it will scrunch up and
not fluff up again.
Thanks!
Gott Mit Uns!
(Hive Elder)
10-03-01 23:49
No 219977
A single station press, would you mind giving me some more details on the press it self, I know it doesn't help you with your problem but I'm very interested in the presses themselves. Is it homemade...? If you don't want to answer here feel free to PM me, thanks for any info...
Mean People Suck
(Junior Service Representative)
10-04-01 02:17
No 220034
SWIP would like some designs on a 100pk pill press. Not worried too much about pics on em, but they gotta stay together and look somewhat professonal.
Just drill out a square of metal, take some wooden pegs, put em together and park a car on it?
PB
(Hive Elder)
10-04-01 02:25
No 220038
Mean People Suck
(Junior Service Representative)
10-04-01 05:39
No 220093
Howz about 10 at a time? What exact force are we talking about (ft/lbs)?
PB
(Junior Service Representative)
10-04-01 06:01
No 220107
Auctions, or manufacturers?
PB
(Hive Bee)
10-04-01 06:37
No 220125
I don't know. I get rock-hard tablet out of my press by striking the die with a hammer once. Actually, PoohBear, I think that car idea might work if you had a strip as wide as a car tire and just drove the car down the strip.
Better loving through chemistry.
(Hive Bee)
10-04-01 07:52
No 220149
Poster: Rhodium
Subject: Re: Just got my pill press can I temp. use asprins...
No tylenol either! I believe MDMA and Tylenol competes for the same liver CYP enzyme...
And you end up with a larger dose of MDMA in your system because it isn't digested? That doesn't sound like a bad thing?
(Stranger)
10-04-01 08:09
No 220154
http://abacus.sj.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/6
There is a pic of the press. Yeah, basically a hammer is
going to do the actual compressing. It does rounded pills
(convex) and flat pills as well. I would *like* to help
*all* bees get a little press of their own. The
manufacturer says you can do 2 pills a minute. It's all
metal so it should be pretty sturdy over the long haul.
Time will tell :) Is there a decent "anonymous" way to
help bees get little professional presses? Since it's
so small and hand powered does it fall under DEA regulation?
Come on everyone help me, help you!
Hmm is there a way to take *anonymous* internet payments?
Preferably out of the jurisdiction of the Uninted States?
AND STILL NO ONE HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTION!
Can I use a ground up otc tablet of whatever to make some
pills?
Gott Mit Uns!
(Professional Student)
10-04-01 08:18
No 220157
AND STILL NO ONE HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTION! Can I use a ground up otc tablet of whatever to make some pills?...jesus christ, why don't you just grind up an asprin (or whatever), put it in your press and find out for yourself.
Back to the Primitive
(Stranger)
10-04-01 09:21
No 220170
yeah yeah
but I like to bitch Gott Mit Uns!
(Hive Bee)
10-04-01 09:33
No 220172
Go to the store and find some pills that contain something that isn't going to interfere, like a vitamin. Then try it out. Total expendature: ~$3 and 15min.
(Chief Bee)
10-04-01 12:50
No 220194
Quicksilver: I was thinking that MDMA might lock up the enzyme so that the paracetamol in the tylenol doesn't become properly broken down, and as you all know, these intermediates in the metabolism of paracetamol are very toxic to the liver.
(Hive Bee)
10-05-01 12:30
No 220632
If anyone wants to know about interactions between asprin and amphetamines (or for that matter caffeine) go read some body building site - the ECA stack (ephedrine - most of the interactions translate though) has been EXTENSIVELY researched.
If you're interested, I've got several studies that I could post.
Foxy - very, very VERY hyperthermic - I've seen 2 degree rises (yes, that does cause brain damage)
(Hive Bee)
10-05-01 22:27
No 220695
Could someone describe how the press works in the above picture. The picture has 6 pieces.
How are they assembled? How does the pill come out of the press? etc.
ODB has access to a nice metal shop, but has never been able to find any blueprints on a simple press
Man, I'm so high, I have no idea what's goin' on
(Hive Addict)
10-05-01 22:47
No 220700
I've used something like that before (for prep'ing an IR sample), you've got a small piston that is placed inside of the doughnut center, then you fill enough powder, put on the other piston. Now put on the two end caps and add pressure. Then remove one end cap, and one piston, add the other piece (with a bigger center, add back the end cap, and apply pressure. The piston will now push the pill thru and out of the mold.
(Stranger)
02-05-02 02:23
No 265252
if i had a logo ingraved on the bar would that make a stamp... or on the bottom?
(Junior Service Representative)
02-05-02 02:30
No 265254
What?
PB
(Hive Bee)
02-05-02 02:46
No 265257
This is an old thread, but since somebody has dragged it up again, I'll add that I just read in a pharaceutical textbook that lactose should be avoided as an excipient for tabletting amines, because amines will react with sugar. The exact reaction is not mentioned, maybe somebody knows what it is. Anyway, I would like to amend my post from last year on how to make tablets and recommend using just micro-crystalline cellulose and 3% magnesium stearate as only excipients when tabletting. (I don't think stearic acid is necessary if enough mag stearate is used.) A glidant might be also added, if using a machine and powder is sticking in hopper. But 72% MCC and 3% mag stearate plus 25% active ingredient should do the trick--NOTE I can't absolutely guarantee this, because SWIA don't make pills anymore, but I've a strong hunch it will work.
Anyway, heads up on lactose and amines.
Regards
(Pioneer Researcher)
02-05-02 03:05
No 265261
I've mixed MDMA with sugar sometimes as a filler to make capsules, and after one year at roomp temp it seemed to be like the first day. I don't know exatly if there was any degradation, I didn't analyze them, but the biological assay was as it should be.
(Junior Service Representative)
02-05-02 03:38
No 265280
Lactose... Milk sugar? Guess one should advoid dairy products too after ingestion of said substance...
PB
(Hive Addict)
02-05-02 04:39
No 265294
Lactose is easy to get (skim milk powder) and compresses very well (somewhat "sticky"). I doubt there's any reaction with MDMA or anything else someone would want to press. The true problem is getting a good press made out of precision drilled stainless steel. A design like this would be perfect for a single pill press:
Shown is a base, with a cylinder with a hole in it, and two small disks inside. The powder sits between the two disks, the rod comes down to push the pill together. This sort of thing is used all the time in the lab to make disks, but something similar and smaller would be handy for making the occassional pill.
PS. Yes, if you put a logo (in reverse) onto one of the disks or whatever, you'd get the logo stamped onto the pill.
(Hive Bee)
02-05-02 05:39
No 265321
http://www.thomaseng.com/tab_index.html
Now that's a pill press!!! Woah
We'll soon FIND OUT if I'm a chemist or not!
(Hive Bee)
02-05-02 06:16
No 265334
Go down to the meth lab down the street -- swim bets they have LOTS of filler and binder for you to use :)
(Hive Bee)
02-05-02 10:01
No 265391
Argox mate thank you, your post last year was most definitely much appreciated. It took SWIS form getting all sulky and turing into a footstomping sware bear to someone with a big grin.
Lovin your work!
(Chief Bee)
02-05-02 12:26
No 265421
...with a capacity of 800,000 tablets per hour. Wow. Now we just need to find out how to synthesize 100kg of MDMA per hour to keep that monster busy.
(Junior Service Representative)
02-05-02 13:50
No 265442
The "war" would definitely bee over then...
PB
(Stranger)
02-05-02 16:55
No 265477
80Kg/H is enough for 100mg dose tablets... unless you want 125mg Doses 100kg/H...i reckon balls to the walls 140mg doses :-)
I love the smell of Ketone in the morning.
(Hive Addict)
02-05-02 21:00
No 265572
it might be easier to synth 200g of LSD in an hour.
If Pacman had influenced us, we'd run around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music
(Chief Bee)
02-06-02 02:06
No 265673
I would get a stomach ulcer from synthing 200g LSD per hour 8h a day, 7 days a week...
(Hive Addict)
02-06-02 04:46
No 265727
too bad, cause you'd make enough money to send fractal to the best medical schools around and have her take care of you afterwards on your remote island.
You could synth 11.2kg of acid one day a week. That might require a larger glovebox though.
If Pacman had influenced us, we'd run around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music
(Chief Bee)
02-06-02 07:14
No 265792
There is a 10+ kg LSD synthesis (by Hofmann) reproduced in Tihkal somewhere...
(Hive Bee)
02-06-02 08:51
No 265816
That would really suck if you dropped the flask by accident.
When the elderly try to fuck around I break their hips.
(Hive Addict)
02-06-02 11:33
No 265897
I'd simply burn the house down if I dropped a flask like that. I don't think there's any other way to clean up a lab spill like that...
(Hive Bee)
02-06-02 17:12
No 265976
how much do those little presses cost?
BLAZE-1-FOR-THE-NATION...
(Stranger)
02-07-02 01:21
No 266193
what else would work as binder ... Use that little word up there: SEARCH. The board is snotfull with pill posts! LT/
(Hive Bee)
02-08-02 06:24
No 266761
Just drill out a square of metal, take some wooden pegs, put em together and park a car on it?
Good lord! And after doing a couple of hundreds, all that back and forth would really stress your clutch
Howz about 10 at a time? What exact force are we talking about (ft/lbs)?
Well, a bit more serious now, as I'm figuring it out, I (we) have some facts to start from, like that old Argox post on tablet pressing in ultra full detail. It even has formulas for getting the exact force you might need to press an XXmg tablet.
BUT, if you like to go a little more "empiric" you can check the specifications from LITTLE lab presses, those single stage (nevertheless hydraulic) presses, you know. Well, they use a compression and PRE compression system. We can forget about the pre-compression, at least at the beginning. Always start simple, you'll have time to mess things up later . So, we can see that things that they are able to press UP TO 11mm diam. pills, with a 10ton pressure, they have a max. depth charge of 17mm, etc.... Let's put 10mm for our sake and make math easier. Now thatīs a whole damn pressure being applied. BUT, if you make it 10 at a time...well, math is easy. They say you can very well press nice pills with 1ton. Who knows? I don't Still, a 100mm pill would be a damn flying saucer! Ok, you can engrave almost anything there, still... I'd rather go for an 8mm standard. Now if you redo the math you get a little bit more "force"/hole.
I've been thinking about a "9 AAT" (at-a-time, yes, a new acronym) where any hole could be left unused (without affecting the rest) if found out that the kg/mm2 were not enough. Pressure is applied via a cam(shatf? still don't know about it, but cams surely) wich is moved by a modified hydraulic car jack ($50 at a repair store)
Also, I have very (VERY) raw sketches about a feeding system for a single press. Cause I'm trying to figure out both, a "various at a time" and a single press (here would work the feeding system). So far, if I can make something satisfactory with it, I'm pretty sure a single one would be better than a multiple set up, due to faster loading and expulsion.
Chemically enhanced.