(Hive Bee)
08-18-03 01:57
No 454321
(Rated as: excellent)
I know everyone probably hates reading these freaking warning things but it's got to be done! Sorry Rhodium and VideoEditor I sort of just stole the warning from your Straight to E page.. Hope you don't mind too much.
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And we're off!!!
If you have been here for more than like 6 months or so (so since around November 2002)… and read any of the Newbees or discourse forums you would have probably remember that k0dog was constantly asking for information on Ketamine freebase to Ketamine Hydrochloride and cleaning techniques. So here is my little compilation of information to contribute to The Hive. That being said hopefully other individuals are dreaming the Ketamine dream! =)
Now previously a procedure for converting Ketamine Freebase was written up (By GaRtRoN UTFSE) but upon re-evaluation the results (since I did help out with the write-up and providing info for that other bee, without any credit... grrrrrrrr...) I have made some subtle but important changes.
Ok.. Now first off the entire array of chemicals you will need to do this Rxn are common and all OTC (except for of course the Ketamine Freebase). The Apparati/Materials can be changed for many different things, I have included some kitchen chemistry alternatives.
Chemicals/Solvents:
-Ketamine Freebase (will only be referred to as Ketamine fb from this point on)
-99% Isopropyl Alcohol (Will only be referred to as IPA from this point on)
-Hydrochloric Acid (Will only be referred to as HClaq from this point on)
*BTW all calculation were done with Muratic Acid [~32.4%].. so go see your friendly Home Reno Center
Apparition/Materials:
-Beakers (Must use Pyrex for Re-crystallization)
-Erlenmeyer Flask (Best to also use Pyrex)
-Evaporation Tray (Best if it is Pyrex, could also use a pie tray)
-Hot Plate (could use stovetop)
-Thermometer (can also be used as a stirrer)
-Glass stirrer
-Filter Paper (Could use coffee filter, if you go this route make sure you double them)
-Glass funnel (Could use Camp Fuel funnel)
-Scale (MUST mass in metric scale... None of this weird other bull shit... Stupid imperial scales)
Before you get started you must choose the amount of Ketamine fb you are going to work with since it will control all other variable in this reaction. For this I would suggest starting with 10g of Ketamine fb because it is easy to work with and makes it easy to calculate materials needed for higher amounts. For the purpose of this write up, I will only be working with 10g however I will post a Chart with the exact amounts of each solvent/reactant for larger reactions. That info is for the retards that never passed a math class (we know your out there!) because this reaction is totally 100% scaleable.
Procedure:
1) Dissolving your Ketamine fb
Obtain 44g (56.05ml) of IPA. Heat the IPA in a beaker until it is 60°C making sure that you are stirring the IPA gently. Add your 10g of Ketamine fb and stir with your glass stirrer or thermometer until the solution becomes a clear yellowish solution.
*When massing the IPA this time you don't need to be exact but don't go under, just a ball park figure because it is later evaporated
2) Filtering the yellow globules!
Allow your solution (Ketamine fb and IPA) to cool on the element to exactly 40°C. At this point the yellow globules should have formed in the solution. Filter these globules off being extremely careful so that they are not agitated back into the solution. If this takes a long time, make sure that the solution (pre-filtering) is at 40°C or you might lose Ketamine.
*Save the yellow globules because there is potentially Ketamine stuck within their structure
3) Adding your Hydrochloric Acid/Muratic Acid
Keeping your now clear solution (Ketamine fb and IPA) at 40°C slowly add your HClaq. For 10g of Ketamine fb use 5.01g of Muratic Acid should be added. Monitor the temperature to make sure that it does not rise above 42°C, if it does slow down the addition of HClaq.
*Best results occur when you add the HClaq drop by drop making sure you are stirring it smoothly and consistently
4) Evaporation of Isopropyl Alcohol
Place your solution of IPA, Ketamine HCl, and HClaq (potentially there, but if you measured it accurately then the amount should be insubstantial or none existent) in a Pyrex evaporation tray. Allow the IPA to totally evaporate.
*You can use your Oven to speed this process, by setting it to 65.56°C or 150°F. Under no circumstances should you raise the temperature to make it go faster
**You may also use your microwave if needed to dye the solution, but only leave it on for very long or the IPA will bubble over
***Best way is to place your Evaporation dish on your table and let it evaporate under normal conditions (Room temperature), with a bit of help from a 100w lamp above it. Should only take (depending of course on the amount of Ketamine fb you decided to use) like maybe 15 minutes for 10g's of Ketamine fb
5) Re-crystallization (This step is done independently of the previous Steps because it will need much more than ~10g of Ketamine HCl)
This step is not necessary but generally suggested. If you plan to snort or eat the product than it is acceptable purity but if you are going to IM or IV it must be Re-crystallized. Also one should be aware of friends that might be doing his/her product since they might try and IM or IV it. That is why Re-crystallization is suggested because no one likes to hurt others. <--That is debateable I'm sure but for the purpose of my Converting I wish no one harm
Heat 50g's (63.70ml) of IPA in a beaker (could use a larger amount if needed, maybe try 100g or even like 200g's) and dissolve the maximum amount of Ketamine HCl into it. If you see that you added too much Ketamine fb then just add a couple drops of IPA.
*You could heat it up to around 80°C (176°F) but I prefer to only go to around 60°C
1. Slowly turn down the heat and allow the contents to return it is on the hot plate.
2. After to room temperature while the solution of IPA and Ketamine HCl reaches room temperature and let it to sit for 30 minutes.
3. After 30min has passed place the beaker in the fridge for two-hours.
4. Take the beaker out of the fridge and place it in the freezer. Leave it for another two-hours.
5. Filter the now shiny and glimmering crystals quickly making sure that the solution does not heat up very much.
6.Calculate Yields, Test purity, get Holed!
*Save the freaking left over IPA from the re-crystallization because it will contain some Ketamine. You could just evaporate the IPA then just save the dirty Ketamine HCl for further processing later
6) What to do with the extra stuff?
If you followed my procedure more or less precisely you will have some yellow globules (probably dry now), and some dirty Ketamine HCl either in IPA or not… Anyways you can just redo Step 5), and it should give you clean crystals. But even after you re-crystallize this product make sure you don't I.M. or I.V. because it will have impurities (well more than the other Ketamine).
*I usually I just throw out the yellow globules because they do contain the most impurities and are harder to clean than the rest of the Ketamine HCl. I have also been told that I am wasting that Ketamine but the way I see it, the fact that it takes so long to re-crystallize it anyways, I don't care. Plus you usually have to do this like 2 or 3 times to get rid of the yellow ness and then you left with like 1/3g when you start with 100 of Ketamine fb
| Ketamine Freebase (g) | Muratic Acid (g) | IPA (g) | IPA (mL) |
| 10 | 5.01 | 44 | 56.05 |
| 20 | 10.02 | 88 | 112.10 |
| 30 | 15.03 | 132 | 168.15 |
| 40 | 20.04 | 176 | 224.20 |
| 50 | 25.05 | 220 | 280.25 |
| 60 | 30.06 | 264 | 336.31 |
| 70 | 35.07 | 308 | 392.36 |
| 80 | 40.08 | 352 | 448.41 |
| 90 | 45.09 | 396 | 504.46 |
| 100 | 50.10 | 440 | 560.51 |
N.B.
-Ketamine Freebase was 98.9% pure
-Muratic Acid was 32.5% HCl
-IPA was 99%
Also if you are a retarded don't measure the freaking IPA add it, then mass another sample and add that too. I have IPA in both Volume and mass because it might be useful to someone. I don’t know Muratic Acids Volume, plus I'm sure that depending on the manufacturer it changes. But If someone could mass some sample of Muratic Acid then measure there volume that would be great
I sincerely hope that all the busy little bees enjoy my conversion for Ketamine fb à Ketamine HCl. I find it much more useful than GaRtRoN’s conversion because it has precise measurements for the solvents and a much easier and better way to covert the fb into a HCl salt. I think that the fact that in the last procedure GaRtRoN used distilled water as the solvent for Ketamine fb, when he really should have either used a Alcohol (like I did) or a non-polar and the gas the freaking little molecules. Plus an top of that the site where he posted the information took it off, some time ago.
Oh ya I have to give props to LyCaNtHoR and I guess GaRtRoN because he did send me his freaking write up so that I could check my ratios. Didn’t end up using it much… but meh, like he put effort into it.
Peace y’all, and continue Living the dream! I mean Dreaming the Dream.. ya sure that’s it… j/k
"Vanity is defintely my favourite sin"
-Devil's advocate
(PVC-Analog Taste-Tester)
09-22-03 22:56
No 460504
What's up k0dog?! Nice contribution, but an importation license is needed to import ketamine. This is a recent discovery of mine. I would buy some but asian companies won't sell. I need some ketamine.
Love my country, fear my government.
(Hive Bee)
09-25-03 20:17
No 461118
you are correct a license is now need to import ketamine from most companies... art least legitimately.. if you want my ideas on the better waqy to do it now... give me a msg... we'll talk about "theories" on how to better get ketamine.... mmmmm I miss you my ketamine dreams.....*tears*....
by the way.... I think that somebody should add my post to Rhodiums site if he deems it worthy...My goal is to contribute.. sadly no much recoginition has been made... not that I do it for recognition... but ... its nice some times and the fact that it does occure makes me go out and work harder to find better ways at things...
"Vanity is defintely my favourite sin"
-Devil's advocate
09-26-03 01:03
(Rated as: off-topic)
09-26-03 10:25
(Rated as: insignificant)
(Stranger)
11-08-03 07:46
No 469650
It is better to use EtOH as the recrystalization solvent. It disolves the salt better then IPA. Crystals from IPA tend to be too fine, and tend to come out too quickly trapping impurities and producing poor crystals. It is better to gas IPA to a reasonable concentration (must dry gas *before* bubling the IPA) and I also think it is better to allow the IPA/salt solution to slowly come to room temperature, then slowly chill, then filter, not evaporate the IPA. The remaining IPA contains a relatively trivial amount of salt but it can be recovered with little effort albeit slowly by just dumping it into a bucket and leaving it unattended where it can get a couple of weeks of sunlight, or a larger dark colored open vessel placed in direct sunlight (ie large animal water troughs).
This can be done at a very large scale. It's possible to adapt a large plastic tank (pesticide, wine, etc.) and heat it with the wires from heating pads to over 60' by enclosing the tank and wires carefully with non-flamable insulation. The tank can be easily and thorougly mixed with one or two impeller driven pond pumps. Hundreds of litres sized reactions are possible and fairly straightforward. Agricultural purposed tanks come in all sorts of configurations. You can buy tapered tanks in 100+ gallon sizes that look like large sep funnels. With those sorts of tanks it's possible to set up the output of the crystalization tank run through an in-place filter to a solvent recovery station, you just have to pressurize the main tank (the presurized air should be well filtered for compressor oil).
Yellow gunk sounds like the un-rearanged freebase. It seems to glob up in solvent. It has a charecteristic smell. Freebase doesn't really smell except for the fine particles that seem to premeate everything, including nostrils. Never seen any commercially produced freebase of such low purity that that happened but you should consider saving it for further experimentation.