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Halogonation of Safrole: Just the facts!
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ReFlux
Member posted 03-30-99 09:06 PM
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Well I've become quite interested in persuing the reverend Drone's method for amination (involving bromo-safrole + MeNH2 + PTC), so creating a viable, efficious method for producing bromo-safrole is in order (or Iodo since it is also a good leaving group).
So what do we know so far (And please correct me if any of these facts are wrong!) :
1) The method that absolutely does work is anhydrous HBr in Glacial Acetic acid. Problem of course is the HBr gas. It would have to be generated or bought. Has anyone had any success with this method?
2) DMSO + NaBr (Or NaI) + H2SO4. It situ creation of HBr or HI with subsequent halogenation. Has anyone had any success here?
3) PTC Halogenation: Safrole + PTC + HBr (@ Reflux) = Tar. Safrole + PTC + HCl (@ Reflux) = Chlorosafrole (verified by Rhodium). And how about the halide swap, chloro for iodo or bromo? The good reverend has suggested a PTC catalysed swap (ala Finkelstein reaction). Has any one had any success?
4) 48% HBr, 66% HBr & 70% HBr all result in tar?
Also, what is the best method for isolation and purification of the halo-safrole from the reaction matrix (particularly, how would it be seperated from unreacted safrole?) Besides the obvious distillation.
I think its important that this problem be solved once and for all for all the bees on the hive so lets all get into gear and solve it!
-ReFlux
3. I dreamed a cold PTC bromination with 48% HBR and OTC PTC. The dream was never completed. See the thread "The Tradgedy of Incomplete Experiments - PTC Bromination " in this forum. 4. Polish dudes had success with 70% at 0C. See ref on Rhodium's page. There is little data on bromosaf besides its bp under strong vac. so distillation is still the method of choice. Contact Us | the Hive Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Version 5.39a
ChemHack
Member posted 03-31-99 12:54 AM
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1. BootieRocket bought a 5lb tank of HBr gas to try bromination in GAA. That was in late August or early September. Then he dropped off the radar. I dunno what happened to him. Gyrogearloose also did this rxn and reported a "heavier-than-safrole" product as a result but later reported that he made no attempts at amination. Strike says that 33% in GAA will work. There are a few refs on Rhodium's page.
2.Spiceboy reported success in very small batches.
gyrogearloose
Member posted 03-31-99 06:07 AM
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I will post a new sucessful bromanation method in a few days, amination also and it was all a success. Need a few days to rest
before posting the whole thing. but at last a sucess story.......
ChemHack
Member posted 03-31-99 07:29 PM
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Please do post soon. I'm on the edge of my seat for this one....
gyrogearloose
Member posted 04-01-99 09:53 PM
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See my post on the new paper on bromanatio
In it I use the method described with great sucess...........
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