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dormouse
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04-19-00 07:41
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Leukart-Wallach mechanism inquiry -rev drone
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the Hive BB Serious Chemistry Forum Leukart-Wallach mechanism inquiry profile | register | preferences | faq | search next newest topic | next oldest topic Author Topic: Leukart-Wallach mechanism inquiry rev drone Member posted 03-31-99 02:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now here's a mental puzzle for all you fellow organic chemistry fanatics: the Leukart-Wallach reaction mechanism. Recently, someone proposed the use of DMF with indole-3-acetaldehyde to form DMT. Now, there is plenty of precedence in the literature for this to go, but still to date, there seems no *universally* accepted mechanism for this to work. Now the Leukart is a sentimental favorite with some (not me), but how does it work -- even for making secondary amines like meth?Which brings me back to my question: how would YOU rationalize the fact that when you combine an aldehyde or a ketone, DMF, 90% formic acid, and heat it at 190 deg C for a few hours, you get dialkyl tryptamines? ------------------ -the good reverend drone
Wizard X Moderator posted 04-06-99 11:07 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is very similar to the ESCHWEILER-CLARKE METHYLATION REACTION The intermediate immonium ion +N=CH2 (produced by reaction of aldehyde or ketone with a formamide) is reduced with formic acid to N-CH3 + CO2. Other reducing agents are NaBH4 or NaBH3CN rev drone Member posted 04-07-99 10:43 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, the Eschweiler-Clarke is simply an inversion of the Leukart-Wallach, but what my question is is pertaining to actual mechanism. Try drawing an electron-pushing diagram for systems involving dialkylformamides, and see what happens -- this isn't half that straight forward. ------------------ -the good reverend drone Wizard X Moderator posted 04-08-99 07:33 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drone : here is a Leuckart with dimethylformamide and formic acid I've used. Mole ratios : 173gr (2.5 moles)dimethylformamide and 54gr (1 mole) of 85% formic acid. This is heated to 150-155 deg C Over a period of 4-5 hour, a mixture of 1 mole of redistilled aldehyde, and 163gr (3 moles) of 85% formic acid through a dropping funnel. The water and formic acid which distil is discarded.As for the mechanism I will send it to you as a jpg image file when I'm done. Optimus Prime Member posted 04-10-99 04:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Include me also in the mailing please... OP Rhodium Administrator posted 04-11-99 03:02 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What kind of aldehyde have you used? 3-IAA? rev drone Member posted 04-12-99 12:40 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So generally, how would you verbally describe the mechanism for this? ------------------ -the good reverend drone Wizard X Moderator posted 04-14-99 11:22 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope the JPG images are OK ! Optimus Prime Member posted 04-17-99 09:27 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some refs for you also Boss... I have no access to tett or Bull jap or I would have scanned them... Lukasiewicz, Tetrahedron, 1963, 19, 1789; Oba; Sekiya Bull. Chem. Soc. Jpn. 1976, 49, 2485... I can get the japanese translated if you can get the article... OP All times are CT (US) next newest topic | next oldest topic Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic Hop to: Select a Forum or ArchiveList of Forums:General DiscussionAcquisition DiscourseChemistry DiscourseMethods DiscourseNovel DiscourseCrystal MethSerious Chemistry ForumThe Hive CouchSerious Tryptamine DiscourseAdmin Chill-out TentList of Archives:Couch ArchivesClassics!Law and OrderThe litter box.misc. PEAs
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