05-23-00 02:27
No 8210
Would anyone happen to know the Ksp (solubility product) of harmaline hcl? I was just daydreaming about the further purification of a bit of syrian rue extract. I am also curious about the Ksp's of both DMT and DMT hcl. I would appreciate it greatly if someone could help me make this dream a lucid one!
(Stranger)
05-31-00 19:12
No 12056
I don't actually know what a Ksp is but I have had some success extracting rue. The method I have settled on is this: grind up enough seed to pack the basket of a stovetop espresso maker fill the bottom with H2O and 1/4 vinegar screw the top down over a piece of fliter paper, run the vinegar/H2O through and repeat 2 more times with new H2O/vinegar leaving the ground seeds in the basket. Combine the three extractions in a tallish jar and basify with a saturated lye solution, allow the precipitate to settle overnight and decant, wash the precipitate with more H2O (fill the jar) allow to settle and decant again. I then disolve precipitate in vinegar/H2O re-filter re-basify re-decant and dry. If you wanted to seperate the harmaline from the harmine you can do thisby basifying slowly with aqu. ammonia
and checking the precipitates with a microscope, the two alkaloids come out of solution at different rates first one as needles then the other as plates or versa vica (I can't remember which was which but I can look this up if you'd really like to know.)
(Stranger)
06-01-00 22:13
No 12694
Is syrian rue legal?
Where can it be obtained?
Are there any other good sources of MAOIs?
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 05:17
No 12774
P.Harmala is legal in 98% of the world. I think it is still used as dye.
There was a state in the USA where it is forbidden to import the seeds because it is seen as a noxious weed or something like that. Extracting harmines from P.H. is another story. I think it is illegal in some states.
--psyloxy--
(Stranger)
06-02-00 11:08
No 12893
Syrian Rue is available from middle eastern grocery stores as "esphand" or "esfand" it is used traditionally as an incense to ward off dark spirits or the "evil eye"--This makes sense to me as breathing low levels of a MAOi would probable help keep you in "good spirits". It is also the source of the traditional persian red carpet dye, which I have heard was obtained by leaving the seeds in wine for a year (I suspect that the wine would become vinegar and the vinegar does something to the alkaloids (?); when I was trying out various methods of extraction I tried boiling large volumes down before purifying and managed to obtain a lovely cherry red solution :))
Esphand: was formerly known as 'hoama" which has the same root as the word soma; has associations with ancient middle eastern sorcery; was consumed by Mohamed on the recomendation of Allah. And of course, when combined with tryptamines can take you on a "carpet ride" where you might just encounter (especially in total darkness) exquisitly alive patterns sometimes of a very "persian" nature.
(Hive Bee)
06-02-00 14:43
No 12990
>was consumed by Mohamed on the recomendation of Allah
Where does this information come from ? I'm putting together a list of all important people who have used drugs...
Thanks!
--psyloxy--
(Stranger)
06-02-00 18:09
No 13035
I think I gathered that one from "The Ibogaine Story" but I can't check because my hard copy is in general circulation with my friends and the online version seems to be missing the miscellanious tidbits it lifted from other sources. If I remember correctly it referred to both Mohammed and his daughter being instructed to consume harmel but it may have been refered to by a number of synonyms. While I was looking around I found this which might an interesting lead:
http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/haoma_an
good luck with your list!
(Newbee)
06-03-00 03:31
No 13211
I did the HCl extraction from P. harmala and used the simple method of salting the alkaloids out with lots of NaCl. The dried product still contained a lot of NaCl (accumulated at the edges on my filterpaper). I recrystallised the alkaloids from methanol. The product was pretty pure (HPLC anal.).
Maighstir.
Vae victis meretrix est et mors venit.
(Hive Bee)
06-03-00 03:37
No 13213
Try the Koran maybe? Lots of stuff about Muhammad and Allah in there.
~~Atomic Pickle.
(Stranger)
06-04-00 12:40
No 13649
If you freebase it you can wash out the salt.