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DjTime
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 11:55 am |
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meme,
1G shouldnt be the standard it should be the "I need to stop benchmark" Until more qualified research has been done on the ill effects if there is any of MDA and MDMA for high dosage. It just doesnt seem logical to do so much. However you are an adult and you can make your own decision just be careful. |
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IndoleAmine
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: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 12:10 pm |
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Hey guys - do you start believing blindly in our self-declared minister of propaganda, Sandmueller?
I somewhat get the impression... 
I wrote about SSRIs like prozac/fluoxetine being detrimental to MDxA recovery, and just potentially addictive, as a resonse to the following lines:
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i can highly suggest using prozac (fluoxetine) when the comedown from MDMA/MDA sets in. saves you a lot of tuesday blues! i even took prozac like 12 hours AFTER the comedown started, and it still had a noticable effect - after half an hour, instead of looking grim, i smiled and had the urge to laugh. plus, fluoxetine will save your serotonergic neurons, too!
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And then sandie goes on with verbal attacks, justified IHO by argueing that "(...)Fluoxetine will still be partially protective if given 6 hours after MDMA but has no protective effect 12 hours after administration (Schmidt, 1987).(...)"....
.....am I missing something, or is someone just trying to find a reason for squarreling?  
Besides, anyone want comment on my 5-HTP proposal maybe? (some constructive criticizm maybe this time? Viable medication or not?)
(BTW star-light I already have aknowledged that you expect me to carry my burden of being a mod with the utmost responsibility, and that you as a consequence of this seem to think that I'm not allowed to make even one single mistake. As a consequence, you routinely remember me of this. Thats nice, this way I'm always remebered of the expectations you seem to have from me. Honestly, I really try to be correct with everything I say, really hard! Can you forgive me at least this one last time? Please?  )
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IndoleAmine
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: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 12:16 pm |
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Joe_dehyde:
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i tried fluox/mdma and there was no toxic effect. i even survived taking them TOGETHER (which is a bad idea because it can cause a serotonin syndrome).
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Face what? That you are stupid and at good health, apparently? (not meant as offense, but taking SSRIs and serotonergic drugs at once can be fatal, and posting that you survived it is at best something for the curiosity cabinet, at worst the cause forthe death of another stupid person reading your post. Think about it.)
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IndoleAmine
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: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 12:19 pm |
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Conclusion of this thread: the ecstasy of the 80's was probably all eaten up by the fools of the 80's, who now probably suffer from the consequences of doing so.....
Seen realistic, there are high- and low-dose ecstasy pills, nowadays just like back in the daze. Nothing "happened". |
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joe_aldehyde
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 6:14 pm |
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do you people even think about what you read or just trying to show off you oh-so-comprehensive knowledge? for instance, if after reading my post, someone drops fluox and serotonergic stuff at the same time - sorry, that person just deserves to die. i'm also a bit astonished as to the conclusion of addictive effects from my post-fluox urge to giggle. ok so, if psilocybin makes you giggle, it's addictive. just as alcohol is, or anything. speaking in that terms, i'm practically addicted to several thousands of substances. your pseudoscientific attitude is really entertaining, i'm actually giggling right now, so i must be addicted to you, hell yeah!
while some of you might question my intelligence as for the fact of me taking fluox and mdma together, i'm not giving in to any discussion about my personal attributes. call me dumb...what do i care? what do YOU care? i wonder if some of you are probably lacking a tiny bit of self-confidence. so please, stick to the technical terms and matters. leave my IQ180 stupidity alone. thank you!
oh yeah i_a: why don't you read some papers about mdma/fluox experiments at www.mdma.net
if you know so much better, then you can only be one well-respected scientist having done lots of research in that area (i needn't mention that imo, the best lab rat is one's own body).
anybody who takes 1g of mdma at once is certainly suffering from tachyphylaxia and shouldn't be worried about the lost magic...your serotonergic synapses are probably no more there. |
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joe_aldehyde
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 6:16 pm |
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besides: arguing on the internet is useless. face THAT  |
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mk-1
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 6:42 pm |
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oh my oh my. cant u guys just misagree on something without fighting over it?
Best way to solve any disagreement is by presenting us with refernces from scientific articles.
Also, members with high reputation who post their opinoin might contribute, this was the beauty of the hive reputation system.
In any way, swim had also good effects from 5-htp after mdma dosages.
I think we should all stop the flaming. this is no place to flame, we should be united, even if we disagree |
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joe_aldehyde
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 6:50 pm |
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| yes, flaming is useless, but ignorance of facts is just intolerable as it leads to misinformation. it has been proven that fluox HELPS, i don't know about 5HTP and don't claim to do so. plus don't i want to have my attitude put into question, that is NOT what the thread is about. MDMA.net HAS scientific papers about the fluox/mdma issue, that's why i referred you there. i'm out. |
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 6:55 pm |
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falling in love on mdma is nuero-protective, if done in a sweet setting.
clubbing all nite is damaging, if only because of the drive home.
its about the love.
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Star-light
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Re: : what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Mon May 23, 2005 10:47 pm |
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Well obviously Sandmeyer and Star have never taken MDA or MDMA so actually they shouldnt have a say really in what is posted in this thread
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DjTime, you are misinformed and your statement is illogical.
First, I am very familiar with both of these compounds, having first bioassayed MDMA around 20 years ago.
Second, not having taken something in no way means that you are unqualified to comment on the science surrounding it. Your ridiculous assertion when applied to another situation would mean for instance that one was unfit to comment on the toxicology of cyanides unless one had drunk them. Now can you see how foolish what you said was? Think about what you are saying if you don't want to look stupid!!
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Hey guys - do you start believing blindly in our self-declared minister of propaganda, Sandmueller?
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No, not blindly believing just concurring on a single point.
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I wrote about SSRIs like prozac/fluoxetine being detrimental to MDxA recovery, and just potentially addictive, as a resonse to the following lines:
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What is the evidence to suggest that SSRIs are detrimental to MDMA recovery?
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.....am I missing something, or is someone just trying to find a reason for squarreling?
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I think you are missing something. You are taking somebody telling you that you are wrong as a personal assault when you would be better off taking it as a piece of advice.
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Besides, anyone want comment on my 5-HTP proposal maybe? (some constructive criticizm maybe this time? Viable medication or not?)
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Sorry, don't know anything about this.
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and that you as a consequence of this seem to think that I'm not allowed to make even one single mistake. As a consequence, you routinely remember me of this. Thats nice, this way I'm always remebered of the expectations you seem to have from me
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Well, of course everyone is going to make mistakes. It is just that moderators should put a harsher filter on their opinions than others. If they don't know they shouldn't espouse IMO. However, as I say this is a personal opinion and if others disagree I stand corrected. It is what the bulk of the membership want that is important, and if that is out of line with my opinion then nobody is forcing me to come here. I come here because I am interested and there is presently no place better. But I don't expect this board to be run according solely to what I think.
My words are not meant to be attacks, just advice and expression of personal opinions. If the membership (including you I_A) would like me not to express these opinions, just say so.
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Honestly, I really try to be correct with everything I say, really hard! Can you forgive me at least this one last time? Please? )
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There is nothing to forgive, you have done nothing personally wrong towards me.
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meme
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Tue May 24, 2005 4:13 am |
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"anybody who takes 1g of mdma at once is certainly suffering from tachyphylaxia and shouldn't be worried about the lost magic...your serotonergic synapses are probably no more there."
ROTF 75mgs is still a good strong experiance, what a load of propaganda!
edit, btw djtime, SWIM almost never eats and exstasy product, bc SWIM hates mda. It makes SWIM feel heavy, weighed down, and sick. The combo of xtc adn methedrine also sucks, in SWIMs's opionion, so it is only once every few years that SWIM takes a big dose (or, relaly any dose). 200 mg of mda is WAY too much! for SWIM, at least. A large-dose experiance only comes after a few smaller; first a taste -test to try to determine if the substnace is mda or mdma or a poly-who-knows-what experiance, thena small dose. 75mgs should produce a nice intoxication if it is mdma. Then, after much time with the chem . . . it's time for the couch!  |
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Sandmeyer
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Re: : what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Tue May 24, 2005 7:12 pm |
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What verbal attacks? Are you refering to your own unscrupulous posts? In that case, yes, they are plenty, which, btw, are not insultive to me, they mearly expose your habitual obnoxiousness.
Finally, when I see that obvious missinformation has been posted, I'll take the liberty to point it out - you like it or not. It just happens that so much missinformation continuously comes from the same source.
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joe_aldehyde
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Tue May 24, 2005 7:58 pm |
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| i think this thread sucks. the initial question was unjustified (or am i missing the point that the ecstasy of the 80s was a shiny new molecule which has rusted over time?), just as is the incidental fighting over i_a's misinformation. a certain level of preeducation concerning the matters discussed in this forum would do some members very good, methinks. quite obviously, lazyness reigns this place. |
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DjTime
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re: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Tue May 24, 2005 11:36 pm |
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| thats what I've been trying to say here. MDMA is not new and never changes. It's your brain and the way you treat it that changes. The stuff is killer only if done in moderation. Breaks that span months IMO is really the only way to keep that so called "magic" When you break your serotonin apart every week with 500mg pills your gonna loose that good feeling and gain mostly shitty ones. So how bout that lil' man Peace Out..... |
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IndoleAmine
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: what happened to the ecstacy of the 80's
Wed May 25, 2005 3:38 pm |
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OK you asked for it, so here we go  :
Joe_dehyde:
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do you people even think about what you read or just trying to show off you oh-so-comprehensive knowledge? for instance, if after reading my post, someone drops fluox and serotonergic stuff at the same time - sorry, that person just deserves to die.
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So why are you different from others, again? I must've missed the part where you explained why you should NOT have died from it while others should when following your PARAGON...
And yes, many things that "make you giggle" are addictive - unless you are debile or a 12y.old girl..... 
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What is the evidence to suggest that SSRIs are detrimental to MDMA recovery?
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I can explain it to you: the fact that MDxA stays in your system for >24h post administration, and that SSRIs together with serotonine release triggering compounds cause neurotoxicity in exactly these serotonergic synapses due to enormously high concentrations of serotonine being trapped in the synaptic gland...
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Well, of course everyone is going to make mistakes. It is just that moderators should put a harsher filter on their opinions than others. If they don't know they shouldn't espouse IMO. However, as I say this is a personal opinion and if others disagree I stand corrected. It is what the bulk of the membership want that is important, and if that is out of line with my opinion then nobody is forcing me to come here. I come here because I am interested and there is presently no place better. But I don't expect this board to be run according solely to what I think.
My words are not meant to be attacks, just advice and expression of personal opinions. If the membership (including you I_A) would like me not to express these opinions, just say so.
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(I thought I HAD said it with my post?)
Stop ranting, shut up.
Your point has been aknowledged, and besides from being useless further mentioning of this oh-so-holy "your point" in public will be simply seen as attack. Even if you imply that you just mean it as advice and expression of your oh-so-personal opinion..
And no, I don't want you to remember me over and over again.
M'kay?
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a certain level of preeducation concerning the matters discussed in this forum would do some members very good, methinks. quite obviously, lazyness reigns this place.
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Yes about the preeducation, for example reading the package insert of fluoxetine before consuming some!?
And no, about "what reigns this place": Its apparently reigned by mdma overdose victims and knowItAlls - not by lazyness. This thread is the best example for what happened to the ecstasy of the 80s - it caused brain damage, mostly. Obviously. Apparently. Sadly....
("discuss" what you want, I've got more important things to to do)
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