09-09-04 08:28
No 530501
Sub-Bourbon Ledge-Ends:Suey-Side Watch
Swims in the process of drying PM from filtered TCE Japan mix.
The colors went from dark lav. to light blue PM after filtering.
Swims uncertainty is: In the currently drying PM, there are small white granules that appear to be not so finely crushed pills. They are the size of salt granules.
Does any one know if PM needs to be crushed and filtered to react the trips again?
PM is almost dry and planning on Den Alc pull
Any Ideas on the matter?
(Of Counsel)
09-09-04 11:58
No 530512
Read your own post. You carefully took the time to tell us what type of pill you were working with and what inactives were present, right? That would help a fellow bee answer your questions, right?
I gather you are familiar with Wareami's insistence on washing with acetone after a JD/tetra wash until the color is gone? I know he really harped on how important this was. So much that I even got his drift.
I'm certain you followed his advice about making sure the pill mass was finely powdered before proceeding to soak or rinse with anything, and that grinding in a coffee grinder just wasn't good enough. Right?
Since you used the term "trips" in the stim forum, you know that tripolidine is an antihistamine and doesn't react during extractions of pseudoephedrine. It does not show up in salt sized granules inside the white sixties you were extracting the trip from. And the pseudo.
My best idea is to reread Wareami's posts about the extraction method you are using, and take the advice he gives in those posts. Do take the time to read the whole post, even the whole thread and related threads. It will amaze you how many of the questions you asked are answered right in the post, or the thread.
I would tell you that you need to UTFSE, but you'd likely search for a single post with the answers to all your questions. You won't find one. You will, however, find answers to every one of your questions in the thread on using JD/TCE and related threads.
mostly harmless
(Stranger)
09-10-04 09:46
No 530661
JD/TCE Extraction
Post Post 450785 (wareami: "OrangeBowl TailGait Bash", Stimulants) "OrangeBowl TailGait Bash"
Active: Pfed 60mg, Triprolidine 2.5mg
Inactive: Flavor, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, lactose, magnesium stearate, poluethylene glycol, potato starch, povidone, sucrose, and titanium dioxide
I thought JD/TCE was used to help remove OrangeGakk and to also activate triprolidine to be removed in the den. alc pull. I may be way off thou.
The reason for my question was, if the wash was to activate trips for the den. alc. pull. Swim was thinking that if the small white granules were unground pills. Thought to beleave if trips were not activated in the granule from wash that the trip would not be removed when pulled. Some thing like that.
(Of Counsel)
09-10-04 13:28
No 530692
Are those the pills you are working with? Do you think they are the same pills Ware was using?
Even if they are, they aren't. The Eudragit polymers used in the medicine's delivery system are not listed as inactives. But they are in the pills and were not in the pills when Ware went tailgaiting.
My point is this: that method doesn't work on Eudragit. It did a good job on Orange gakk, but that was the one we got Christmas before last. The pill fuckers have fucked the pills again, and did a bang up job of doing it.
Getting the pseudo out of the tabs is a constantly evolving countercultural art form, made that way by the constantly evolving state of the art of keeping what we want out of the pill mass in the pill mass. Extraction methods older than four months are obsolete in this quadrant of the universe, and apt to fail without notice. Check Fester's Deconstructionist Thread and read up on Evilscripter's approach to the short path distillation Prepuce initally propounded. Those are good current approaches to the problems you face and more apt to suit your purpose than the method you selected. In my opinion, anyway.
mostly harmless
(Hive Addict)
09-12-04 14:14
No 531059
Thanx Geez! You about covered it!
Since I'm on a warning roll(*Wanking* roll as read by Osmiums screen
), I have a few things to add to help clarify some issues.Orange Gaak IandII have recieved more airplay than any of the gaaks aside from the intial beast, Povidone.
Just for Kicks, I punched "Orange" into TFSE under username "wareami" and returned 865 posts.
Mindboggling eh?
The term "blue" returned 887 posts. Although relevant, it's disqualfied by how many times blue type was used in the posts.
I never use orangetype! hehehehe
The follow-up posts to the OrangeBowl Tailgate thread are spreadout over a long period of time and many posts beginning with Post 463438 (wareami: "News Flasher Blue Streaker UP!", Stimulants)
That thread contains many of the answers pertinent to this discussion regarding Trip...tone washes...Japan Drier.
The last word on the use of JD/TCE can be found in these threads(strangely...another thread identically named as this one, except this Threadtitle appropriately has a PERIOD in it!
)Post 520396 (Armbarian: "Pfed Extraction", Stimulants)
Post 513388 (Giver_Hell: "TCE/JD a thing of the past?", Stimulants)
A brief recap and a word of caution.
The Blueness encountered when doing a JD/Tetra extraction(Slanted Egull) is Not Antihistamine. It is the HeavyMetal deposits from the JapanDrier. The determination of this was proven by running pills that didnot contain antihists.
The blueness was present in those extractions as well!
The newest formulations started to include bases that seemed to fuse the JD heavymetals to the Pfed. Not good for the health!
The only relief for Ibee in cases like that were to include hcl acid to loosen the JD's hold an allow for most to be removed by acetone washes.
The last word of caution about using JD/Tetra was that if the blue couldn't be removed from the Pfed, abandon the procedure.
The only safe way to employ this method is by removal of the Blueness!
Since Eudragit skates by Japan drier, this method is rendered obsolete for most.
Some places have yet to experience Eudragit.
For them this method will work but I stress the importance now as I did the first day the method was released.
REMOVE THE BLUE!
If it ain't white....It ain't Right!
You Laugh at me because I'm different
I laugh at you because you look the same
(Stranger)
09-14-04 12:55
No 531317
Swim will take your advice and dump. Tryed and learned many things but, could not remove the blue. Back to the chalk board
(Hive Addict)
09-14-04 15:49
No 531336
Some to the point of exhaustion and banged UP farheads
Several key closing notes for the Newbees that stumble across this thread.
There are probably 30+ extraction methods gracing this board.
These methods are a culmination of an onGOing tit for tat war motivated by a oneUPmanship between bees and the Opposition.
Emphasis is placed on ongoing for a reason.
What worked today might not tomorrow!
Bees must grasp that with the same determination they put toward their desire to make it work in order to avoid the tendencies toward half-ass attempts. Only to come UP empty handed.
It's a mindset needed that forges an understanding...a foresight...an ability to conceptualize what it is you're about to undertake
It's common for newbees to come along and discover that they'd like to get there feet wet and reach for the fastest easiest method they can digest and put into practice.
They will also likely resist trying the harder to digest methods because they are tediously painstaking and require more time, elaborate processes, and harder to aquire chems.
Bees don't make the rules but they learn to skirt around them.
There was a time here at the hive when a selection of successful extraction methods made it possible to pick and choose the method that suits the skill and experience level of all bees.
Many of the methods on this board are rendered obsolete against fighting the newest gaaks. Some by date....some by sheer chemical engineering.
The best way a bee can go about finding what works is by referencing the newest threads and discussions on the topic.
Don't fool yourselfs into thinking you can follow a thread for three daze and have all the info needed to proceed.
It may take weeks or longer before you're ready. And that's with daily visits and intense study in order to get a basic concept.
And that includes backtracking and validating the information and getting feedback.
Just take your time and be prepared to READ READ READ before attempting anything!
All too often we see bees trying outdated methods and wasting money and chems, not to mention time!
If just half that time was invested in research and delving headlong into the instruction offered here, bees would be seeing and experiencing many more successes and less and less failures.
What's the Hurry???
Take it slow....you'll get to GO!
Take it fast....you'll get there last!
And as Much as it Hertz, Staying UP on the Current Events requires reading no matter Watt!
You Laugh at me because I'm different
I laugh at you because you look the same
(Of Counsel)
09-15-04 08:20
No 531467
I have been working with a particular OTC med for several sessions, and finally had it figured out. I took three boxes and ran my worked out method on them, reacted the pseudo, and discovered that the latest lot number had rotated OII gakk back into the formulation, and realized my method did not counter OII gakk.
What worked on the last box of one med won't necessarily work on the next box... the one from the next lot number.
At least, typically with OII, what I got was damn good. Just wasn't that much of it.
mostly harmless
(Stranger)
09-18-04 00:04
No 531944
just out of curiosity,i was reading the post about jd/tce,and scanned thru tfse briefly but didnt see anything about the type of health problems you could incure...so being naturally curios just thought id ask...not a big deal though
(Stranger)
09-18-04 19:27
No 532074
If you clean it properly with all the acetone washes and re-x's then you wont have any jd/tetra left in your pseudo.
And i really doubt it that the jd/tetra will make it through the post rxn work up.
So i really wouldnt worry about any health problems, but if you want to see what the effects of jd and tetra have on humans do a search in google for the products msds and it will come up with the effects on exposure and all that stuff.
Your an individual just like everyone else.
(Hive Bee)
09-19-04 01:33
No 532112
takes a few boils, alternate the two solvents, ReX would help after the boils
(Stranger)
09-19-04 06:16
No 532155
swim came across some white 60's awhile back 05 exp dates and chose the slanted egull to ext. the odd thing swim noticed that was diffrent from the post he had read was the pale blue color went with the first denat pull and didnt even stay around to see the tone, any ideas on this?