tantric4hrs
(Stranger) 09-29-04 06:39 No 533717 |
4-halo meth and the making of it | |||||||
wouldn't this be fairly easy? and more potent? 4-fluro is pretty good, but shit, how about 4-iodo? would this ../rhodium /2cb.bro not work just find on meth? and, just as a side, is there anything similar one can do to cocaine? "Decay is inherent in all compounded things. Strive unceasingly." |
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Rhodium (Chief Bee) 09-29-04 14:33 No 533745 |
They are neurotoxins | |||||||
Post 353424 (Rhodium: "4-chloro, 4-bromo and 4-iodoamphetamine are all ...", Chemistry Discourse) Post 483358 (Rhodium: "PFA is no "neurotoxic 4-haloamphetamine"", Methods Discourse) The Hive - Clandestine Chemists Without Borders |
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tantric4hrs (Newbee) 09-30-04 09:22 No 533865 |
DOI, dosage and 4-haloamphetamines | |||||||
if 4-haloamphetamines follow they same path to potency that DOI does vs other PEAs then the evidence of neurotoxicity might be based on massive over doses. what if a dose of 4-Br meth is like 1mg? "Decay is inherent in all compounded things. Strive unceasingly." |
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indole_amine (Hive Bee) 09-30-04 10:04 No 533871 |
still toxic | |||||||
You can be sure that when something is referred to as being neurotoxic, that it is; no matter how little you ingest. In other cases, enough rats have left their life to prove the "neurotoxicity at higher doses", and for establishing an LD50... In the case of 4-Br-amphetamine, the neurotoxicity is apparent even at low doses, if I remember right - in human trials, several subjects experienced parkinson-like tremors over the course of the following week after ingesting several milligrams under medical supervision! (ugly stuff IMO!) EDIT: Apparently my memory didn't serve me right; it was several miligrams per kilo of body weight, not overall dose.... indole_amine |
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Rhodium (Chief Bee) 09-30-04 10:12 No 533872 |
p-chloroamphetamine | |||||||
Mono-substituted amphetamines does not have potencies in that range, 50-250mg are common in humans for 4-methylthio-, 4-methoxy-, 4-fluoro-, and 4-methyl-amphetamine. As for the effects, here is an example:
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tantric4hrs (Newbee) 10-01-04 06:12 No 533999 |
thus a human trial with a 1mg dose, which... | |||||||
thus a human trial with a 1mg dose, which would be sane, imho, has not been tried. btw, i tested mk-801 on myself, so this is not new territory for me. considering what taking 1mg/kg of body weight of DOI would do to you.... the rats stuff is useless, and it might have been a massive overdose - didn't y'all even read shulgin? "Decay is inherent in all compounded things. Strive unceasingly." |
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moo (Hive Addict) 10-01-04 07:42 No 534005 |
So you think DOI is a good compound to make... | |||||||
So you think DOI is a good compound to compare to just because it has a 4-halogen? Please consider that it has quite a different pharmacological profile and mechanism compared to 4-haloamphetamines, and you are talking about N-methyl amphetamines which are generally even further away from hallucinogenic phenethylamines. Arguments based on DOI have no merit in this realm. fear fear hate hate |
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tantric4hrs (Newbee) 10-02-04 10:21 No 534130 |
i would agree with this about DOI and 4-Br-A. | |||||||
i would agree with this about DOI and 4-Br-A. but still... consider - why was there never a 2,4,5-BrPEA? what would this compound do? but consider: i personally field tested mk-801, a notorious neurotoxin. in research, it is usually given to mice at 1-10mg/kg body weight, which causes SERIOUS NAN/brain damage. it turns out that for human, a "recreational" dose of mk-801 is about 3 MICROgrams/kg. the "" are because mk-801 is not actually fun. it produces involutary unending telepathy and weird memory gaps. just fyi. "Decay is inherent in all compounded things. Strive unceasingly." |
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fnord (Hive Bee) 10-09-04 22:10 No 535070 |
telepathy | |||||||
yeah ok telepathy you seem like a pretty smart guy (just a little stubern for trying to argue with rhodium :) ) and now your saying u belive in telepathy? ok byby sciance is god |
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